Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 1 Jul 2008 06:54 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:1a876d56-96e3-42ee-9f7e-c2a9cc62f964(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 30, 6:34 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:4a956dde-8271-4dd1-96cb-3b689154e2f2(a)q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 29, 11:47 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 12:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:08 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grammar and >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can comprehend >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounding like >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> college to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> teach atheism. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> claim? <chirpiing >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. If someone >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> prayed >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> fired. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn >> >> >>>>>>>>>> something new >> >> >>>>>>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at >> >> >>>>>>>>>> school?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow >> >> >>>>>>>>> and the >> >> >>>>>>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows >> >> >>>>>>>>> and >> >> >>>>>>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? >> >> >>>>>>>> Feel free to offer some actual help rather than religion. >> >> >>>>>>>> Unless >> >> >>>>>>>> you can >> >> >>>>>>>> show that you're right and everyone else is wrong, but you're >> >> >>>>>>>> not doing >> >> >>>>>>>> well on that score.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>> Well, we religious people spend time helping widows and >> >> >>>>>>> fatherless >> >> >>>>>>> people. How are you atheists doing with that? >> >> >>>>>> Deluded people do not have the altruism market cornered, no >> >> >>>>>> matter >> >> >>>>>> what >> >> >>>>>> you'd like to believe.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>> So you are saying that you actually believe some religious >> >> >>>>> people >> >> >>>>> are >> >> >>>>> helping widows and orphans. That is very open minded for an >> >> >>>>> atheist. >> >> >>>> Ummm... thanks? What you think I believe is clearly hugely >> >> >>>> different >> >> >>>> from what I really believe. Is this your mischaracterisation, or >> >> >>>> have >> >> >>>> you been lied to?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>> Well, no, Paul was telling the truth when he said that true >> >> >>> religion >> >> >>> was caring for widows and the fatherless. >> >> >> That's a religious opinion that I don't share. "True religion" is a >> >> >> difficult phrase to talk sensibly about - no religion is able to >> >> >> demonstrate much objective truth more impressive than an old >> >> >> tunnel.- >> >> >> Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > Well, the only reason I used the old tunnel was because it was >> >> > something that atheists could come to understand after a long time. >> >> > After enough repetitions, even an atheist cannot make a disconnect >> >> > between what was written and what exists. >> >> >> There are much more mundane examples in the Bible that prove just as >> >> much. Egypt, Jerusalem, the Nile, they're all places mentioned in the >> >> Bible that really exist. What's your point. People write nice stories >> >> about real places, so what? >> >> >> Why would you base your life around one? And why that one?- Hide >> >> quoted >> >> text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > If I were to mention the Nile or Jerusalem, or the Jordan River that >> > would have been something that atheists already knew about. This way >> > I get atheists scrambling all over the internet looking up Hezekiah's >> > tunnel. Then they all pretend they already knew all about the tunnel >> > but are not going to admit it exists. The tunnel is a much more >> > effective demonstration of atheistic reaction to truth. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Actually, so far, it's been a good demonstration of your complete >> inability >> to construct a rational argument. >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, there is your mistake, Steve. I am not arguing with anyone. > You atheists are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > Robert B. Winn Don't be so dumb. Your argument is that there is a God. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 1 Jul 2008 06:58 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >> >>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> ... >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> faith, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> case >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> know >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> how >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have >> >> >>>>>>>>>> made a >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >> >> >>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you >> >> >>>>>>>>> have >> >> >>>>>>>>> fallen >> >> >>>>>>>>> into. >> >> >>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If there >> >> >>>>>>>> is >> >> >>>>>>>> no >> >> >>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >> >> >>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you >> >> >>>>>>> think >> >> >>>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? >> >> >>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide >> >> >>>>>>> quoted >> >> >>>>>>> text - >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong >> >> >>>>>> with >> >> >>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying that >> >> >>>>>> killing >> >> >>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? >> >> >>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? >> >> >>>>> Abortion >> >> >>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. >> >> >>>>> They're >> >> >>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>> Not children yet? �What do you think they are? >> >> >>>> =============== >> >> >>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown >> >> >>>> female.- >> >> >>>> Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are nothing >> >> >>> except parasites in atheist theology. >> >> >> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- Hide >> >> >> quoted >> >> >> text - >> >> >> > I understood it exactly the first time I read it. >> >> >> Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No implication was >> >> made >> >> that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You misunderstood, >> >> or >> >> lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a >> > parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made that >> > "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if >> > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it is a >> > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never >> > anything except a parasite. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the parasitical >> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of yourself. >> Again. > > Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? > Robert B. Winn What makes you think that only atheists have studied fetal development or agree with the parasitical nature of the cytoblast? Could it perhaps be your ignorance on the subject? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Alex W. on 1 Jul 2008 09:21 "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message news:6cug9jF3hr3k8U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with anyone like this. > Why are we even trying? > Because it's way cheaper than paying Mistress Whiplash to give us the punishment we crave?.
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 09:49 On Jun 30, 7:06�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jun 30, 11:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > Well, I'd say that pretty much lends credence to that idea that faith > > > and critical thinking are mutually exclusive. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Uh huh. �So let's see your proof that we need to defend faith. �Jesus > > Christ says all we need to do is follow his teachings. > > Robert B. Winn > > OK, that's pretty retarded. > Let's see your proof that we need proof that you need to defend faith. > We can go around in circles some more if you want. > > Al Well, go ahead and go around in circles if that is what you want to do. I think that is something that atheists might enjoy. But be careful. A boy had his head cut off by a roller coaster the other day. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 09:54
On Jun 30, 11:59 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:2cd82a5a-f445-4105-b500-b805f0662927(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > > > On Jun 30, 3:09�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- > >> > I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. �I believe that pro- > >> > life atheists are mythological. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. > >> I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. > >> We are no longer mythological. > >> How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? > > > Well, to be honest, Steve, I do not believe you. > > Robert B. Winn > > My statement is supportable. > All you have to do is Google previous posts on abortion to see where I stand > on the subject. > You can continue with your inaccurate belief if you wish to, but all it > serves to do is highlight your wilful ignorance and inability to establish > facts. > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack, > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" Well, I don't think we need to do that. Let's just examine the matter a little. What do you think about this scripture? Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child. Robert B. Winn |