Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 10:31 On Jul 1, 12:32�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Free Lunch wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > > <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028...(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: > >> On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>> Free Lunch wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>>>> So? > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not > >>>>> believe your fable. > >>>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said > >>>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot > >>>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. > >>> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - > > >>> - Show quoted text - > >> Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim > >> he was not talking about evolution. > > > You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your > > behavior when you were caught. > > It is not weakness to admit a mistake, Robert. We won't tell the other > atheists.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I am sure you will not. What would their reaction be to discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution as a fable? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 10:32 On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>> So? > >>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> I just believe what Paul said.  You seem a little upset that I do not > >>> believe your fable. > >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > 2 Tim 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > teachers, having itching ears; > > 4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > turned unto fables. > > I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult for you. Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 10:35 On Jul 1, 12:39 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 30, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 29, 9:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:42:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 29, 8:48?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 12:22?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>>>>>> So? > >>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>>>>>> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel > >>>>>>> was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of > >>>>>>> Siloam. > >>>>>> So, where is the evidence that the entire story is correct? The tunnel, > >>>>>> as you know, is not evidence that the story is correct.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Well, so you are still taking the position that there is no tunnel. > >>>> Liar. > >>> How long will ye halt between two opinions?  Multitudes, multitudes in > >>> the valley of decision, for the day of the Lord is near in the valley > >>> of decision. > >> 2000 years away kind of close? ;-P- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > It was close for those who made the right decision. > > Did we miss the rapture?! Seems to me that Christ's return ain't any > closer for you lot than it is for us.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, according to the book of Revelation, it is. The first resurrection occurs at the beginning of the millenium. The resurrection of the unjust occurs at the end of the millenium. So that would make it a thousand years closer for me. Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 1 Jul 2008 11:57 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:331f3679-c6d3-4823-a60e-ab10d5db820e(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... Well, Adolph Eichmann felt much the same way about the final solution. ========= Now that's definitely Godwin's Law ...
From: Steve O on 1 Jul 2008 12:55
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:1138ce05-69cb-453e-9b75-8f58b452581f(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 30, 11:59 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:2cd82a5a-f445-4105-b500-b805f0662927(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Jun 30, 3:09�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- >> >> > I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. �I believe that >> >> > pro- >> >> > life atheists are mythological. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. >> >> I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. >> >> We are no longer mythological. >> >> How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? >> >> > Well, to be honest, Steve, I do not believe you. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> My statement is supportable. >> All you have to do is Google previous posts on abortion to see where I >> stand >> on the subject. >> You can continue with your inaccurate belief if you wish to, but all it >> serves to do is highlight your wilful ignorance and inability to >> establish >> facts. >> > > Well, I don't think we need to do that. Let's just examine the matter > a little. What do you think about this scripture? Luke 2:5 To be > taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child. > Robert B. Winn It's a simple statement which refers to the supposed responsibility that the Joseph character assumed when he took on a pregnant woman to be his wife. Let's save ourselves a lot of time here- I'm already yards ahead of you. You are going to point out that the bible refers to a pregnant woman as having a "child" inside herm rather than a foetus, right, thereby asserting the biblical opinion that according to God, a foetus is classified as a human being? Am I right? If I am, I already have an answer for you. Unless you were already aware, there are several parts of the bible which indicate that any child under 1 month old was not considered to be a person. According to the bible, a child under 1 month old is not counted as a person and abortion is not murder. To support that, I'll refer you to Numbers 3 ;15-16 and Exodus 21 ; 22-23. However, as I consider the bible to be little more than nonsense, I can assure you that it is not the reason for my opposition to abortion. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla" |