Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 30 Jun 2008 21:29 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6ctb98F3i1thuU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > news:6ct3fkF3ihifqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >> I 've known him for a while- he's a good egg, and he'll be an asset to >> the atheist side here. >> Just got off on the wrong foot, that's all. > > Will you still say that when we start talking about your weird and wacky > diet again? I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables. What's weird about that? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 30 Jun 2008 21:31 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:291c27c6-c718-49d9-b9cd-c3d3df7d18b6(a)p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 30, 3:05 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:5421b8a8-3b91-4b3b-b6a6-d6db5f4ce845(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> >> > On Jun 29, 9:46�am, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. �Atheists said >> >> >that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. >> >> >> No atheist claims such a ridiculous thing. Obviously there are things >> >> in the Bible that can be proven. It is trivial, for example to >> >> demonstrate the existence of the city of Jerusalem, so I don't know >> >> why you're so insistent on the existence of a particular tunnel being >> >> significant. >> >> Because he has nothing else? >> Sad, really, isn't it? >> >> snip >> >> > Well, you claim to believe in Jerusalem even though it is mentioned in >> > the Bible. So why is it so impossible for an atheist to admit the >> > existence of Hezekiah's tunnel? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> I have already agreed that the tunnel, together with others not mentioned >> in >> the bible, does exist. >> Your move. >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack, >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > > I don't think you are really being sincere about this, Steve. You > seem to be more of a tunnel believer impersonator than a true > believer. Nope- I've done a little research, and found out more about your tunnel and a couple of others too, one older than yours. I am a sincere tunnel believer. > However, believing in the tunnel will not save you. Save me from what? > Disbelieving in the tunnel will not condemn you. Well, now we have > reached this point in our conversation. By the way, this has probably > been the longest conversation between atheists and a Christian that > ever took place. > Robert B. Winn I hardly think so. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 30 Jun 2008 21:32 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6ctblnF3gko5hU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > news:6ct3s4F3h6djdU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- >> >>> I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. I believe that pro- >>> life atheists are mythological. >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. >> I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. >> We are no longer mythological. >> How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? > > You must be a fictional character. Maybe I live in a fictional tunnel too. This guy is priceless, isn't he? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > >
From: Steve O on 30 Jun 2008 21:34 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:4a956dde-8271-4dd1-96cb-3b689154e2f2(a)q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 30, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 29, 11:47 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 29, 12:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:08 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 22, 12:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask other readers here to help me recompose them with a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grammar and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocabulary appropos for a first or second grade pupil so >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can comprehend >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then answer them. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All public schools are required to teach atheism. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how, specifically, they are doing that. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounding like >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> another sacred lie...- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Teachers hired to teach in public schools are trained in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> college to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> teach atheism. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is it explicit in their contract? Can you justify that >> >>>>>>>>>>>> claim? <chirpiing >> >>>>>>>>>>>> crickets>- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes it is explicit in their contract. If someone prayed >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>> school the way my sixth grade teacher did, he would be fired. >> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't know they had a prayer clause in there. You learn >> >>>>>>>>>> something new >> >>>>>>>>>> every day. Don't you think religion belongs at home, not at >> >>>>>>>>>> school?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> Well, the Bible says that true religion is to help the widow >> >>>>>>>>> and the >> >>>>>>>>> fatherless in their time of affliction. Why shouldn't widows >> >>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>> fatherless people be helped at school? >> >>>>>>>> Feel free to offer some actual help rather than religion. Unless >> >>>>>>>> you can >> >>>>>>>> show that you're right and everyone else is wrong, but you're >> >>>>>>>> not doing >> >>>>>>>> well on that score.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>> Well, we religious people spend time helping widows and >> >>>>>>> fatherless >> >>>>>>> people. How are you atheists doing with that? >> >>>>>> Deluded people do not have the altruism market cornered, no matter >> >>>>>> what >> >>>>>> you'd like to believe.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> So you are saying that you actually believe some religious people >> >>>>> are >> >>>>> helping widows and orphans. That is very open minded for an >> >>>>> atheist. >> >>>> Ummm... thanks? What you think I believe is clearly hugely different >> >>>> from what I really believe. Is this your mischaracterisation, or >> >>>> have >> >>>> you been lied to?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> Well, no, Paul was telling the truth when he said that true religion >> >>> was caring for widows and the fatherless. >> >> That's a religious opinion that I don't share. "True religion" is a >> >> difficult phrase to talk sensibly about - no religion is able to >> >> demonstrate much objective truth more impressive than an old tunnel.- >> >> Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, the only reason I used the old tunnel was because it was >> > something that atheists could come to understand after a long time. >> > After enough repetitions, even an atheist cannot make a disconnect >> > between what was written and what exists. >> >> There are much more mundane examples in the Bible that prove just as >> much. Egypt, Jerusalem, the Nile, they're all places mentioned in the >> Bible that really exist. What's your point. People write nice stories >> about real places, so what? >> >> Why would you base your life around one? And why that one?- Hide quoted >> text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > If I were to mention the Nile or Jerusalem, or the Jordan River that > would have been something that atheists already knew about. This way > I get atheists scrambling all over the internet looking up Hezekiah's > tunnel. Then they all pretend they already knew all about the tunnel > but are not going to admit it exists. The tunnel is a much more > effective demonstration of atheistic reaction to truth. > Robert B. Winn Actually, so far, it's been a good demonstration of your complete inability to construct a rational argument. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 30 Jun 2008 21:36
On Jun 30, 5:19 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jun 29, 7:42 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Jun 27, 10:36 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 22, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Jun 21, 4:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>> On Jun 21, 8:16�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > >>>> "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote in message > > > > >>>>news:6c4ja8F3erpl2U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > > >>>>> If you think that Harry Potter is fiction then you must also think that > > > > >>>>> London doesn't exist right? > > > > >>>>> You'd better tell that to all of the people who live there, it may come as > > > > >>>>> a surprise to them. > > > > >>>> Like the esteemed Mr Winn Esq, London councils have no doubt whatsoever > > > > >>>> about the existence of London. �At least, that is what they profess when > > > > >>>> they send out council tax demands. > > > > >>> Taxes. Well, that is something that should convince some atheists. > > > > >>> Taxes are something they will never deny. > > > > >> Are taxes evidence that any gods exist?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Taxes are evidence that atheists exist. > > > > > I'm sure that you believe that. Why should we? > > > > > Who needs more evidence that atheists exist? Some supporting evidence > > > > for gods would be of more intersest.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, we offered the Bible as evidence, and you said that it was all > > > mythology. > > > No, I think you'll find "we" said it was a book, and not what anyone > > would call evidence. > > > >Then we said, what about the parts that tell of Hezekiah's > > > tunnel and the earthen ramp the Assyrian army built over the city wall > > > when they took Lachish? Those can still be seen today. > > > And we said so what? What does that have to do with the other bits > > you're claiming are true. > > > > No, Harry > > > Potter left from the train station in London to go to wizard's school, > > > so the city of London does not exist. > > > But I know a man from London. He says that Harry Potter does not > > > exist. Atheists do not believe that I know a man from London. > > > Tell me how a supporting evidence means anything to an atheist. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > And then you exhibited willful misinterpretation of everything anyone > > said and proceeded to mumble on about fictional characters. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > I did not misrepresent anything any atheist said. If they want to try > to change a discussion about Hezekiah's tunnel into a discussion of > Harry Potter, I will refer back to Harry Potter, but it was not my > mistake. > Robert B. Winn That's got to be the biggest lie so far. Can you show us a single instance in this thread of an atheist saying that every single thing in the bible is false? Or an atheist saying that there is no tunnel aquaduct roughly where the bible says one was dug? No, you can't. Because no-one said it. But you constantly claim that you're arguing against people who claim so. Al |