Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Alex W. on 30 Jun 2008 20:20 "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote in message news:6ct3s4F3h6djdU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- > >> I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. I believe that pro- >> life atheists are mythological. >> Robert B. Winn > > You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. > I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. > We are no longer mythological. > How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? You must be a fictional character.
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 20:23 On Jun 30, 1:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 29, 11:54 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 29, 1:01 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. �You do not believe in faith, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. �I know how atheists think. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't > >>>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how > >>>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. �They have made a > >>>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > >>>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen > >>>>>>>>>> into. > >>>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists.  If there is no > >>>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > >>>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that > >>>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > >>>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Sure.  A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with > >>>>>>> killing children before they are born.  So are you saying that killing > >>>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? > >>>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion > >>>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're > >>>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Not children yet?  What do you think they are? > >>>> A human embryo =/= a human child. One has been born.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> So you are saying that people who speak of unborn children are lying. > >> It's not the only option.- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, one option would be to admit that a baby in its mother's womb is > > a child.  You already said you would never do that. > > I never said I would never do that. I would like you to undertake to > stop lying, that would be an undertaking that I could agree with! > > Another option would be that your objection is religiously-motivated, > and has no rational basis. What's your point?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I believe that your attitude toward this particular thing will be like your attitude toward Hezekiah's tunnel. It will not change in this life. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 20:24 On Jun 30, 1:08�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Alex W. wrote: > > "Free Lunch" <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > >news:9ipg649e2urs6bgci76j1sk4bebjjd8pe5(a)4ax.com... > >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:58:24 +0100, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote > >> in alt.atheism: > > >>> "Free Lunch" <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > >>>news:ej5g64psvc40o3fq3lpi12h4id0b8dskga(a)4ax.com... > >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:32:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>>>> Why would I invent a religion? > >>>> Because the ones that demand you be honest all reject you. > >>> Kindly cite a religion that expects its adherents to be honest. > >> They all *claim* that they want their adherents to be honest (except for > >> a certain willingness to adhere to unsubstantiated beliefs), but they > >> may not expect their adherents to be honest. > > > I was thinking of religious honesty. �Everyday honesty in dealing with > > others is hard enough, but how many people are honest enough to admit that > > their faith has more holes than a Texas roadsign, and that their sacred text > > is about as reliable as a 70's user manual translated from the original > > Japanese into English by a dyslexic Albanian? �In the end, all faiths are > > based on humanity's overdeveloped capacity to suspend disbelief by the neck > > until dead while claiming the exact opposite. �In my book, that translates > > into fundamental dishonesty. > > You're right, but in my case I managed to ignore or bury the cognitive > dissonance generated, so that the illusion of "god's truth" was a bit > more sustainable. Eventually the weight of evidence demolished that > position, but I wasn't deliberately lying at the time. > > Robert is deliberately lying. That's another issue.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, you atheists have yet to show how your crusade to kill unborn children is a better way of life than following the teachings of Jesus Christ. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 20:27 On Jun 30, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 29, 9:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:42:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>> On Jun 29, 8:48?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:22?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>>>> So? > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>>>> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel > >>>>> was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of > >>>>> Siloam. > >>>> So, where is the evidence that the entire story is correct? The tunnel, > >>>> as you know, is not evidence that the story is correct.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, so you are still taking the position that there is no tunnel. > >> Liar. > > > How long will ye halt between two opinions?  Multitudes, multitudes in > > the valley of decision, for the day of the Lord is near in the valley > > of decision. > > 2000 years away kind of close? ;-P- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It was close for those who made the right decision. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jun 2008 20:30
On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- > 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > > > You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the > > tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the > > Assyrian invasion of Judea. > > "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that > validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom > Bombadil? > > -- > Enkidu AA#2165 � > EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, > ULC, Modesto, CA > > Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public > schools, or health insurance for all? > � � �-Kurt Vonnegut Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of it. Robert B. Winn |