Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:19 On Jul 1, 1:08�pm, "Daniel Mandic" <daniel_man...(a)aon.at> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > I did not say anything except that you are free to follow the big > > green cactus monster if that is what you want to do. �You did not say > > you wanted evidence of anything. �I could send you a Bible if you > > would like one. > > Robert B. Winn > > I respect your postings but you shouldn't flame and insult... why!? > > ;-) > > Bible is nice (I LIKE TIS DUAL STUFF IN THE BIBLE)... okok, I'll come > down ;-)))) > > No, just stay a bit science and physic and you should not have troubles > here. Bible in honour... (indeed! I like the Old Testament! by the way.) > > Kind regards, > > Daniel Mandic > > P.S.: Go a little bit OUT, and watch the Nature, and how it tries to > tell (taught) you.... look and see... maybe you can make sense of.... > :) Well, scientists stopped talking to me about relativity since I derived actual equations. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:23 On Jul 1, 1:13�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I am sure you will not. �What would their reaction be to > > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution > > as a fable? > > They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to > your lies.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I think that is exactly right. Atheists accuse anyone who disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:25 On Jul 1, 1:14�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:45:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jun 29, 9:46?am, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:23:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >No, I do not have difficulty following conversations. ?Atheists said > >> >that there was nothing in the Bible that could be proven. > > >> No atheist claims such a ridiculous thing. Obviously there are things > >> in the Bible that can be proven. It is trivial, for example to > >> demonstrate the existence of the city of Jerusalem, so I don't know > >> why you're so insistent on the existence of a particular tunnel being > >> significant. > > >> What atheists state cannot be proven are any of the *supernatural* > >> claims in the Bible. Just as the historical existence of Troy does not > >> prove that Eris, the goddess of chaos, rolled a golden apple inscribed > >> "To the fairest" into a banquet on Olympus to set the events in motion > >> that resulted in the Trojan War, the historical existence of Jerusalem > >> does not prove that Jesus was crucified there and rose from the dead. > >> What you think your tunnel might possibly prove I can't even begin to > >> guess. > > >> > I said that > >> >three books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >> >Hezekiah's tunnel, and sure enough, there is a tunnel right where the > >> >Bible says there is. > > >> Again, so what? > > >> > ?Atheists say, That does not prove there was a > >> >tunnel dug where the Bible says there was because atheists do not > >> >believe anything in the Bible. > > >> Poppycock. I doubt there's an atheist on the planet who will deny the > >> historical existence of Jerusalem, Pontius Pilate, Herod, or any > >> number of other things mentioned in the Bible. > > >> > So far that has been the extent of > >> >this conversation. > > >> The extent of the conversation has been you continuing to miss the > >> point that the fact that the Bible mentions some cities and historical > >> figures that actually existed is irrelevant to the truth or falsity of > >> its other claims. That Bethlehem exists says nothing about whether > >> Jesus was born there and laid in a manger wrapped in swaddling > >> clothes. > > >Well, you claim to believe in Jerusalem even though it is mentioned in > >the Bible. �So why is it so impossible for an atheist to admit the > >existence of Hezekiah's tunnel? > > How should I know? I'm willing to accept that such a thing exists, > although I'm baffled as to what possible significance you might attach > to its existence.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, it puts atheists in a position they do not like to be in. Here is something describe being built in 701 B.C. in three different books of the Bible, and it cannot just be dismissed by saying that the Biblical account is myth. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:27 On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>>>> So? > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said.  You seem a little upset that I do not > >>>>> believe your fable. > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> 2 Tim 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > >>> 4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > >>> turned unto fables. > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > > for you.  Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by fables. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:28
On Jul 1, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>>>> So? > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said.  You seem a little upset that I do not > >>>>> believe your fable. > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> 2 Tim 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > >>> 4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > >>> turned unto fables. > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Certainly.  This is easy to resolve.  Just wait until after the > > resurrection, and ask Paul in person what he was writing about. > > As has been said: silly troll.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I do not know why that would not be acceptable to you, but it seems to me it would resolve the issue. Robert B. Winn |