Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 1 Jul 2008 20:43 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:9bd4911a-1322-4d0e-9ac5-f83505362e9d(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... On Jul 1, 1:04 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 30, 12:55 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 29, 1:56?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. ?Before > >>>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not > >>>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. ?Atheists > >>>>> say > >>>>> whatever they think will fly. ?It just so happened that I knew about > >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for > >>>>> this conversation. ?So now they are saying that the Bible has some > >>>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. > >>>>> ?They > >>>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation > >>>>> started, > >>>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> If you are as wrong about what is in the bible as you are about what > >>>> people you have never apparently et think about it..God help you. ;-) > >>> I have read the Bible a couple of times. What other people think > >>> about it is up to them. Where they make their mistake is when they > >>> think they are going to tell me what I think about it. > >> Another baseless accusation. You're the one with the strawman opinion > >> of > >> atheists. You're totally free to believe whatever magical nonsense you > >> want, just don't expect anyone to accept it without rational basis. > >> Your > >> thoughts, such as they are, are totally your own. > > >> See how nice and tollerant us atheists are? :-)- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > No. All you are doing is mimicking me. If I had not said you were > > free to believe what you want, you never would have said it. > > Utter nonsense. Don't presume to tell me what I think, it's very rude. > > I believe very strongly in freedom of religion, including (as it must) > freedom FROM religion. Your lies about me won't change that.- Hide quoted > text - > > - Show quoted text - So why are atheists in sci.physics trying to convert Christians to atheism? --------------------------------------------------- So why are theists in alt.atheism trying to convert atheists to Christianity? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:06 On Jul 1, 1:03�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:3770038e-e7b0-4e64-9dd5-d442a816638a(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> > Well, there is your mistake, Steve. I am not arguing with anyone. > >> > You atheists are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Don't be so dumb. > >> Your argument is that there is a God. > > > I never argue, Steve. �If you want to be an atheist, that is your > > privilege. �I was just curious about what you were going to do after > > you die. > > Robert B. Winn > > Well, I was planning on decomposing, just like everyone else. > > -- > Steve O Well, that is quite a plan. What do you do after you are decomposed? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:11 On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:13339a2a-8599-41b2-ac22-cb13fde245ce(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 3:58 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> > On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> >>>>news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ... > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> faith, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> case > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> know > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> how > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> have > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> made a > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> have > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> fallen > >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> into. > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> no > >> >> >> >>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > >> >> >> >>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would > >> >> >> >>>>>>> you > >> >> >> >>>>>>> think > >> >> >> >>>>>>> that > >> >> >> >>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? > >> >> >> >>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide > >> >> >> >>>>>>> quoted > >> >> >> >>>>>>> text - > >> >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >> >>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing > >> >> >> >>>>>> wrong > >> >> >> >>>>>> with > >> >> >> >>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying > >> >> >> >>>>>> that > >> >> >> >>>>>> killing > >> >> >> >>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? > >> >> >> >>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another > >> >> >> >>>>> lie? > >> >> >> >>>>> Abortion > >> >> >> >>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be > >> >> >> >>>>> banned. > >> >> >> >>>>> They're > >> >> >> >>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > >> >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >> >>>> Not children yet? �What do you think they are? > >> >> >> >>>> =============== > >> >> >> >>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown > >> >> >> >>>> female.- > >> >> >> >>>> Hide quoted text - > >> >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >> >> >>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are > >> >> >> >>> nothing > >> >> >> >>> except parasites in atheist theology. > >> >> >> >> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- Hide > >> >> >> >> quoted > >> >> >> >> text - > > >> >> >> > I understood it exactly the first time I read it. > > >> >> >> Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No implication was > >> >> >> made > >> >> >> that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You > >> >> >> misunderstood, > >> >> >> or > >> >> >> lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a > >> >> > parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made that > >> >> > "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if > >> >> > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it is > >> >> > a > >> >> > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never > >> >> > anything except a parasite. > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the parasitical > >> >> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of yourself. > >> >> Again. > > >> > Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> What makes you think that only atheists have studied fetal development or > >> agree with the parasitical nature of the cytoblast? > >> Could it perhaps be your ignorance on the subject? > > >> -- > >> Steve O > >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > >> B.A.A.W.A. > > > The cytoblast is doing exactly what it is supposed to do.  That means > > it is not a parasite. > > Robert B. Winn > > Parasites do exactly what they are supposed to do, and you think that means > trhat they are not parasites? > What a strange fellow you are. > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack, > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the > face, you can see a burnt tortilla"- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I am sorry I said something considered politically incorrect by parasite protection societies. So how are your efforts to save the tapeworm going? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:13 On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- > >>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > >>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the > >>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the > >>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. > >>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that > >>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom > >>>> Bombadil? > >>>> -- > >>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � > >>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, > >>>> ULC, Modesto, CA > >>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public > >>>> schools, or health insurance for all? > >>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut > >>> Why don't you decide for yourself?  You were the one who thought of > >>> it. > >> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can > >> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > It does not matter to me what you trust.  You decide what you are > > going to trust. > > If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful > claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you think that is a fanciful claim? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 1 Jul 2008 21:14
On Jul 1, 1:07�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > >> >> >States. > > >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > >> >assistance. > > >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >right? > > Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > claim on your part. > > > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? �Or > >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental reproduction control. Robert B. Winn |