Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 1 Jul 2008 21:42 On Jul 2, 11:23 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 1:13�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, I am sure you will not. �What would their reaction be to > > > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution > > > as a fable? > > > They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to > > your lies.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, I think that is exactly right. Atheists accuse anyone who > disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. > Robert B. Winn Well, no. We're accusing you of lying on the newsgroup about things in the newsgroup. A particularly silly attempt at lying to be honest. The only evidence everyone in a newsgroup can see with equal levels of certainty is the newsgroup itself. In this topic, you have constantly lied about what other people have said on the same topic. All anyone needs to do to verify your untruthfulness is to scroll back through the posts, often included in your own, that show what the other person actually said. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 1 Jul 2008 21:43 On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > >>>>>>>> So? > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not > > >>>>> believe your fable. > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > > >>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > >>> turned unto fables. > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > > > for you. Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables > to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by > fables. > Robert B. Winn Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? And we'll show you how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. Al
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 22:08 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <f9708904-6500-4209-b487-ab99be5d12c9(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >> >> >> >States. >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >> >> >assistance. >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >> >right? >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >> claim on your part. >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >> confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >reproduction control. Back up your defamatory claim with some evidence.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 22:10 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:27:49 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <65e63885-a0ed-49ec-ae8c-4de581d1a172(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 1:14�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >>>>>>>> So? >> >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >> >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. �You seem a little upset that I do not >> >>>>> believe your fable. >> >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> 2 Tim 4:3 �For the time will come when they will not endure sound >> >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >> >>> teachers, having itching ears; >> >>> 4 � And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >> >>> turned unto fables. >> >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description >> >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me >> >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult >> > for you. �Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >> >> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution >> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm >> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables >to explain things. So today we see science explaining most things by >fables. You are such a dishonest fool that you have yourself believing your own lies.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 22:11
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <5a6e721c-a4e8-41e0-b92d-5724b8818147(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 1:13?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Well, I am sure you will not. ?What would their reaction be to >> > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution >> > as a fable? >> >> They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to >> your lies.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, I think that is exactly right. Atheists accuse anyone who >disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. That's your excuse. I call you a liar because you are lying. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with you, it has to do with the fact that you have chosen to lie repeatedly to us. It must be sad for you that everyone, even the lowly atheists, can see how totally untrustworthy and dishonest you are. |