Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 20:05 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:31:29 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <ccc732d9-4c47-442b-ad22-fc806fe8b0af(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 12:32?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> Free Lunch wrote: >> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> > <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028...(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >> >> On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>> Free Lunch wrote: >> >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >>>>>>>> So? >> >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >> >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >> >>>>> believe your fable. >> >>>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >> >>>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >> >>>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >> >>> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim >> >> he was not talking about evolution. >> >> > You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your >> > behavior when you were caught. >> >> It is not weakness to admit a mistake, Robert. We won't tell the other >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, I am sure you will not. What would their reaction be to >discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution >as a fable? He did not. You lied to us about that. Remember?
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 1 Jul 2008 20:25 On Jul 2, 4:56 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:52 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > > > > On Jul 1, 10:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> On Jun 30, 2:57�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:deedcfe4-50c8-4aba-9a1f- > > >>>> I am still in the religion I was born in. �I picked the religion I am in > > >>>> before I > > >>>> was born. > > >>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>> Probably the most idiotic thing you have ever said. > > >>> Go on, I dare you try and explain this statement without looking like the > > >>> fool you are. > > >>> -- > > >>> Steve O > > >> Jeremiah chapter 1. > > >> Robert B. Winn > > > > That's Jeremiah the Bullfrog > > > Heh heh, good buddy of mine, knows his wine.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Did you know that when Hoyt Axton first wrote that song the words > were, Jeremiah was a prophet, he was a good friend of mine, etc. Then > when the atheistic rock band, Three Dog Night got the song, the > changed Jeremiah from a prophet to a bullfrog to make the song more > popular with the atheistic youth. > Robert B. Winn No, I didn't, which is possibly the first interesting thing you've had to say. On the other hand, without the bullfrog bit it's not really memorable. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 1 Jul 2008 20:27 On Jul 2, 5:06 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 1, 1:04 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jun 30, 12:55 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >>> On Jun 29, 1:56�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's > > >>>>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before > > >>>>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not > > >>>>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say > > >>>>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about > > >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for > > >>>>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some > > >>>>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They > > >>>>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, > > >>>>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>> If you are as wrong about what is in the bible as you are about what > > >>>> people you have never apparently et think about it..God help you. ;-) > > >>> I have read the Bible a couple of times. What other people think > > >>> about it is up to them. Where they make their mistake is when they > > >>> think they are going to tell me what I think about it. > > >> Another baseless accusation. You're the one with the strawman opinion of > > >> atheists. You're totally free to believe whatever magical nonsense you > > >> want, just don't expect anyone to accept it without rational basis. Your > > >> thoughts, such as they are, are totally your own. > > > >> See how nice and tollerant us atheists are? :-)- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > No. All you are doing is mimicking me. If I had not said you were > > > free to believe what you want, you never would have said it. > > > Utter nonsense. Don't presume to tell me what I think, it's very rude. > > > I believe very strongly in freedom of religion, including (as it must) > > freedom FROM religion. Your lies about me won't change that.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > So why are atheists in sci.physics trying to convert Christians to > atheism? > Robert B. Winn Convert? We're just calling out lies posted to alt.atheism. The cross posting was started by a loony tunes christian. Everyone since then is just replying.
From: Smiler on 1 Jul 2008 20:32 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e1ebb981-fb18-4785-948e-9dd13d20bede(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jun 30, 6:45 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jun 30, 5:21 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 7:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jun 27, 10:40 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 22, 1:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 21, 4:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >>> On Jun 21, 4:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >>>>> On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 19, 12:06?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> <snip> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the Assyrian > > > > > >>>>>>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. ?What part of it do you > > > > > >>>>>>>>> claim is > > > > > >>>>>>>>> fiction? ?So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's > > > > > >>>>>>>>> tunnel. ?Are you still claiming that those are fiction? > > > > > >>>>>>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? > > > > > >>>>>>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an > > > > > >>>>>>>> opinion. Have you > > > > > >>>>>>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If > > > > > >>>>>>>> pressed, I would > > > > > >>>>>>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. > > > > > >>>>>>>> I don't have a > > > > > >>>>>>>> reason to decide at this point. > > > > > >>>>>>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! > > > > > >>>>>>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an > > > > > >>>>>>> opinion about > > > > > >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of > > > > > >>>>>>> time to try > > > > > >>>>>>> to discuss the Bible with that person. > > > > > >>>>>> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. > > > > > >>>>>> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >>>>> Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists > > > > > >>>>> which can be > > > > > >>>>> seen is not going to admit the existence of things which > > > > > >>>>> cannot be > > > > > >>>>> seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. > > > > > >>>> No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you > > > > > >>>> have > > > > > >>>> consistently denied that London exists too. > > > > > >>>> All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk > > > > > >>>> about Harry > > > > > >>>> Potter again? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >>> No reason to talk about Harry Potter. There never was. > > > > > >> Then there was no reason to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel or > > > > > >> earthern > > > > > >> ramps either. I agree with you. :-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > You said you wanted to talk about the Bible. So now are you > > > > > > saying > > > > > > that you only want to discuss the parts of the Bible that you > > > > > > select? > > > > > > I don't remember saying that, maybe if you could point me to the > > > > > post? I > > > > > don't remember selecting the topic of discussion either, you > > > > > brought up > > > > > Hezekiah's tunnel and invading army ramps. Discuss what you like > > > > > Robert, > > > > > we might even find some common ground!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, actions speak louder than words. You do not want to discuss > > > > Hezekiah's tunnel. You do not want to discuss the earthen ramp. You > > > > will discuss certain verses of the Bible you can find fault with. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > What purpose would discussing sections of a book that people can find > > > agreement on? > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > That is what we do at church every Sunday. Why don't you join us, Al? > > Robert B. Winn > > Because I have a brain that still works. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, it may seem that way to you. ------------------------------------------ We can tell yours doesn't work from your posts. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 1 Jul 2008 20:37
On Jul 2, 6:03 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:3770038e-e7b0-4e64-9dd5-d442a816638a(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> > Well, there is your mistake, Steve. I am not arguing with anyone. > >> > You atheists are free to believe whatever you want to believe. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> Don't be so dumb. > >> Your argument is that there is a God. > > > I never argue, Steve. If you want to be an atheist, that is your > > privilege. I was just curious about what you were going to do after > > you die. > > Robert B. Winn > > Well, I was planning on decomposing, just like everyone else. > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack, > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" Some of us plan to burn up (assisted of course). Thank you very much. Al Better to burn up, than fade away |