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From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 20:00 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:27:47 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <6ec0a32a-3255-47d6-b573-5ace27ba6e87(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 12:29�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: .... >> > No, you didn't. �I told you from the beginning that I was a Vietnam >> > veteran. >> >> Did you? I don't remember it. >> >> Your record of lying has not served you well, it was an honestly-held >> suspicion. I have been corrected. See how easy it is to admit that I was >> wrong? > >How do you know I was telling the truth about being a Vietnam >veteran? Do you see how you are getting onto shaky ground here? We don't. We also know that you lie to us all the time. Still, it doesn't matter in this discussion whether you have lied to us about your service in Vietnam or not. Do you have PTSD?
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 20:01 On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:44:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <2cd82a5a-f445-4105-b500-b805f0662927(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 30, 3:09?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- >> > I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. ?I believe that pro- >> > life atheists are mythological. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. >> I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. >> We are no longer mythological. >> How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack, >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > >Well, to be honest, Steve, I do not believe you. Given all the lies you have told that are obvious to everyone here, no one cares what you think about what Steve said.
From: Smiler on 1 Jul 2008 20:02 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:16f63b1c-48f2-4f6b-a992-ffe63a8a5221(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try ?to impose > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe > >>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > >>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to > >>>>>>>>>>>> formulate > >>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign > >>>>>>>>>>>> policy. > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they > >>>>>>>>>>> would be > >>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about > >>>>>>>>>>> animals > >>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > >>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > >>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > >>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the > >>>>>>>> fact > >>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > >>>>>> So? > >>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as > >>>>> Paul said it was. > >>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > >>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not > >>> believe your fable. > >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted > >> text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > teachers, having itching ears; > > 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > turned unto fables. > > I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted > text - > > - Show quoted text - Certainly. This is easy to resolve. Just wait until after the resurrection, and ask Paul in person what he was writing about. ------------------------------------------------------ You appear to believe in mythological characters. Maybe you should ask Harry Potter? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 20:03 On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:24:32 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <6fbc8acb-105d-435d-b962-ddf76fb3d38a(a)p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 30, 12:25�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >>>> So? >> >>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >>> Paul said it was. >> >> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > I just believe what Paul said. �You seem a little upset that I do not >> > believe your fable. >> >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >teachers, having itching ears; >4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >turned unto fables. > As you _know_, this says nothing about evolution. I've see three-year-olds who can tell more convincing lies than you do.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 20:04
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:18:41 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <d3304d52-69f8-4f5b-8d69-2f5ce05a9435(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 30, 4:00?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028...(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> Free Lunch wrote: >> >> > On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> > wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >> >>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >> >>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >> >>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >> >>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >> >>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >> >>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >> >>>>> So? >> >> >>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >> >>>> Paul said it was. >> >> >>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >> >>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >> >> >> believe your fable. >> >> >> > Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >> >> > that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >> >> > back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >> >> >> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim >> >he was not talking about evolution. >> >> You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your >> behavior when you were caught.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Sorry, I believe Paul, not your fable. >Robert B. Winn More lies from you. |