Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 19:43 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:35:09 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <772bf1d3-6ab6-4771-a7c3-b5fc1aa6feae(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 12:39�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 30, 1:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 29, 9:57?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:42:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>> On Jun 29, 8:48?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 12:22?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >>>>>>>>>> So? >> >>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >> >>>>>>>> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>> Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a tunnel >> >>>>>>> was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of >> >>>>>>> Siloam. >> >>>>>> So, where is the evidence that the entire story is correct? The tunnel, >> >>>>>> as you know, is not evidence that the story is correct.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> Well, so you are still taking the position that there is no tunnel. >> >>>> Liar. >> >>> How long will ye halt between two opinions? �Multitudes, multitudes in >> >>> the valley of decision, for the day of the Lord is near in the valley >> >>> of decision. >> >> 2000 years away kind of close? ;-P- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > It was close for those who made the right decision. >> >> Did we miss the rapture?! Seems to me that Christ's return ain't any >> closer for you lot than it is for us.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, according to the book of Revelation, it is. The first >resurrection occurs at the beginning of the millenium. The >resurrection of the unjust occurs at the end of the millenium. So >that would make it a thousand years closer for me. >Robert B. Winn Your doctrines are completely contrary to reality. Why do you teach them to people. They are foolishness.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 19:44 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:28:22 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <1a876d56-96e3-42ee-9f7e-c2a9cc62f964(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 30, 6:34�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: .... >> Actually, so far, it's been a good demonstration of your complete inability >> to construct a rational argument. >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack, >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> face, you can see a burnt tortilla"- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, there is your mistake, Steve. I am not arguing with anyone. >You atheists are free to believe whatever you want to believe. It is true that you refuse to offer a rational argument, but, in the more common sense, you argue all the time.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 19:45 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:30:02 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <3770038e-e7b0-4e64-9dd5-d442a816638a(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >On Jul 1, 3:54�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1a876d56-96e3-42ee-9f7e-c2a9cc62f964(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> .... >> Don't be so dumb. >> Your argument is that there is a God. >> >> -- >> Steve O >I never argue, Steve. If you want to be an atheist, that is your >privilege. I was just curious about what you were going to do after >you die. Exactly the same thing you will, nothing. You don't have any evidence to back up your foolish claims.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 19:47 On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:04:25 +1200, in alt.atheism BuddyThunder <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in <4869d6fb$1(a)clear.net.nz>: >rbwinn wrote: >> On Jun 30, 1:01?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> Well, there is the beauty of the gospel. ? We do not need to defend >>>>>> the faith. ?All we need to do is accept the atonement of Christ and >>>>>> keep his commandments. >>>>> I can't accept Christ's atonement without first believing in it. I >>>>> don't. Why would I?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Well, you would if you wanted to be saved. ?You will probably change >>>> your mind about it after you die. >>> Saved from what? What strange beliefs. Not much of a religion if it >>> can't be distinguished from any other as being "the truth". Not much of >>> a religion if all you have is "you'll see". Ah well. Upwards and onwards!- Hide quoted text - >>> >> >> Well, why don't you decide for yourself what you will do. I will >> decide for myself what I will do. Does that seem unfair to you? > >Not remotely! There is no other way it should be! I wish you well with >your truth-seeking. When did Mr. Winn start to seek the truth? All he does is sell lies, he has never shown any interest in learning anything.
From: Free Lunch on 1 Jul 2008 19:49
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:30:25 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in <12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >On Jun 30, 6:37�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... .... >> > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a >> > parasite on the mother, and you say, �No implication was made that >> > "human beings are nothing except parasites". � �I believe that if >> > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it is a >> > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. �A parasite is never >> > anything except a parasite. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the parasitical >> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of yourself. >> Again. >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack, >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> face, you can see a burnt tortilla"- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? Why would you not want to learn what an educated person says about something in their field of expertise? Do you really prefer the lies of the ignorant, but religious to the truths of someone who has learned but doesn't believe in God? As far as I can tell, your peculiar heterodox version of LDS may make you the only person in the world who believes the way you do. Is everyone who disagrees with you an atheist? |