Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 14:13 On Jul 3, 10:32�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:9681aa3b-cfac-407e-a7df-6e75204e7867(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > As I understand it I have given a response to one of your posts that > > does not comform to atheistic rules. > > Robert B. Winn > > What "atheistic rules"?? > If you believe there is a rulebook, please point it out to me, I'd be > interested in reading it, or maybe it's yet another figment of your rabid > imagination. > > -- > Steve O One of the rules you have is that no mention be made of the Nazi Party. You atheists are a little sensitive about that. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 14:16 On Jul 3, 10:47�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> So this magic ability only works for Mormon men, right? > > >> -- > >> Steve O > > > I do not really know what you are asking about. �Why don't you write > > to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an official answer > > from church authorities, or go to the church website. �I think there > > is a place where they answer questions like that. > > Robert B. Winn > > Nice dodge. > Don't want to let the women know, right? > I understand.... > > -- > Steve O Don't want to let the women know what? Robert B. Winn
From: raven1 on 3 Jul 2008 16:21 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >> >> >> >> >right? >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >> >> >> >> claim on your part. >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >> >> >> >reproduction control. >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that >> >> up. >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. >> >Does this seem unfair to you? >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if you were to provide a detailed account of -what State and city this occurred in -what agency made such a demand, and -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the slightest bit credible.
From: Daniel Mandic on 3 Jul 2008 16:31 rbwinn wrote: > One of the rules you have is that no mention be made of the Nazi > Party. You atheists are a little sensitive about that. > Robert B. Winn Not in the least.... Nazis wrote on their banner 'God with Us', indeed! Best regards, Daniel Mandic
From: BuddyThunder on 3 Jul 2008 16:55
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- >>>>>>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >>>>>>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that >>>>>>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom >>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � >>>>>>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, >>>>>>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public >>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all? >>>>>>>>>>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut >>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can >>>>>>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are >>>>>>>>> going to trust. >>>>>>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful >>>>>>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for >>>>>>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you think >>>>>>> that is a fanciful claim? >>>>>> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to >>>>>> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely >>>>>> unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a >>>>> tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a >>>>> ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an atheist >>>>> these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually >>>>> people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just >>>>> giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do. Since atheists >>>>> have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to >>>>> proceed on to anything more complex. >>>> Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it >>>> got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support >>>> for any supernatural claims. >>>> So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The Assyrians came >>> into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home >>> after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot in the >>> middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea to >>> Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King >>> Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah? Sennacherib >>> himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah. >> Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by Sennacherib > in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that Hezekiah > paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home > after he got the money. Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked. That doesn't mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000 troops in a night. Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over Sennacherib's? |