Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 00:45 On Jul 2, 5:16�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:102d04c5-163d-4216-a0d1-b548d2732cf9(a)d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 2, 12:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:0654196a-182b-4495-9322-a7e488df4f01(a)56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:13339a2a-8599-41b2-ac22-cb13fde245ce(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > On Jul 1, 3:58 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >> >>news:12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >> > On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >> >> >>news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> >> > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> >> >> > On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 10:57?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >> >> >>>>news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder > > >> >> >> >> >>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ... > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> faith, > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> counts > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> case > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> faith, > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *don't* > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> know > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> how > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ?They > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> have > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> made a > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> that > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> you > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> have > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> fallen > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> into. > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists.. > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> If > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> no > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> would > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> you > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> think > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> that > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> strawman? > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Hide > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> quoted > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> nothing > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrong > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> with > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> saying > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> killing > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> another > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> lie? > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Abortion > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> banned. > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> They're > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Not children yet? ?What do you think they are? > > >> >> >> >> >>>> =============== > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a > > >> >> >> >> >>>> grown > > >> >> >> >> >>>> female.- > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are > > >> >> >> >> >>> nothing > > >> >> >> >> >>> except parasites in atheist theology. > > >> >> >> >> >> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- > > >> >> >> >> >> Hide > > >> >> >> >> >> quoted > > >> >> >> >> >> text - > > > >> >> >> >> > I understood it exactly the first time I read it. > > > >> >> >> >> Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No > > >> >> >> >> implication > > >> >> >> >> was > > >> >> >> >> made > > >> >> >> >> that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You > > >> >> >> >> misunderstood, > > >> >> >> >> or > > >> >> >> >> lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > >> >> >> > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a > > >> >> >> > parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made > > >> >> >> > that > > >> >> >> > "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if > > >> >> >> > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then > > >> >> >> > it > > >> >> >> > is > > >> >> >> > a > > >> >> >> > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never > > >> >> >> > anything except a parasite. > > >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> >> >> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the > > >> >> >> parasitical > > >> >> >> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of > > >> >> >> yourself. > > >> >> >> Again. > > > >> >> > Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? > > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> >> What makes you think that only atheists have studied fetal > > >> >> development > > >> >> or > > >> >> agree with the parasitical nature of the cytoblast? > > >> >> Could it perhaps be your ignorance on the subject? > > > >> > The cytoblast is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. That means > > >> > it is not a parasite. > > >> > Robert B. Winn > > > >> Parasites do exactly what they are supposed to do, and you think that > > >> means > > >> that they are not parasites? > > >> What a strange fellow you are. > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > Well, I am sorry I said something considered politically incorrect by > > > parasite protection societies. So how are your efforts to save the > > > tapeworm going? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Was that an attempt at humour? > > it's hard to tell with you. > > -- > > Steve O > > I am always dead serious. �You can be sure of that. > --------------------------------------------- > The fundy 'humour bypass' has that effect. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It was something I learned from psychiatrists. I used to try to joke around with psychiatrists. That is a very foolish thing to do. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 00:54 On Jul 2, 5:48�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:e4adda1f-72df-44dd-a0a9-248f3f553530(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 1, 5:02?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:16f63b1c-48f2-4f6b-a992-ffe63a8a5221(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try ?to impose > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you want to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> formulate > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> policy. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they > > > >>>>>>>>>>> would be > > > >>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about > > > >>>>>>>>>>> animals > > > >>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > > >>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > > >>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>> fact > > > >>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > > >>>>>> So? > > > >>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted > > > >>>>>> text - > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just > > > >>>>> as > > > >>>>> Paul said it was. > > > >>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > > >>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do not > > > >>> believe your fable. > > > >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted > > > >> text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > > > doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > > > teachers, having itching ears; > > > > 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > > > turned unto fables. > > > > I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > > of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help me > > > out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted > > > text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Certainly. ?This is easy to resolve. ?Just wait until after the > > resurrection, and ask Paul in person what he was writing about. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You appear to believe in mythological characters. > > Maybe you should ask Harry Potter? > > Well, I am not an atheist. �I do not believe in Harry Potter. > --------------------------------------------------- > Well, I _am_ an atheist. �I do not believe in Paul. > Paul would be the best one to inform with regard to that. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 00:57 On Jul 2, 5:50�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >> >> >> >right? > > >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > >> >> >> claim on your part. > > >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >> >> >reproduction control. > > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women > >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that > >> up. > > >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, > >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. > >Does this seem unfair to you? > > What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, > you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent > lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that > the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. Maybe we can all wait until we are resurrected, and I can introduce her to you. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 01:01 On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>> ... > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > >> >>>>>>>>> States. > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > >> >>>>>>> assistance. > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >> >>>>> right? > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > >> >>>> claim on your part. > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > >> >>>> confirms my assessment. > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >> >>> reproduction control. > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > >> > States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > >definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here > >in the United States. > > Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in > the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your > credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented. Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put her in the trunk of a car. Strangely, the police discovered when they found her body that none of it had been documented. So we do know that sometimes things do not get documented. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 3 Jul 2008 01:04
On Jul 2, 6:11 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 3, 9:59 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 1:28 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jul 2, 11:30 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 2, 12:13 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> So? > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. �I think it is a fable, just as > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said.  You seem a little upset that I do not > > > > > > > > > >>>>> believe your fable. > > > > > > > > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > > > > > > > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > > > > > > > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > > > > > > > > > >>> 4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > > > > > > > > >>> turned unto fables. > > > > > > > > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > > > > > > > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description.. Can you help me > > > > > > > > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too difficult > > > > > > > > > > for you.  Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where evolution > > > > > > > > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of disease. I'm > > > > > > > > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to fables > > > > > > > > to explain things.  So today we see science explaining most things by > > > > > > > > fables. > > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > > > Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable?  And we'll show you > > > > > > > how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. > > > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to > > > > > > endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the > > > > > > existence of mankind without a God. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. > > > > > Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own > > > > > imagination? > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > It happened just the way Paul said it would. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > If you want to converse with the voices in your head, could you just > > > leave out alt.atheism in your replies?  Your posts are clearly not > > > related to anything you're clicking reply on. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > As I understand it I have given a response to one of your posts that > > does not comform to atheistic rules. > > Robert B. Winn > > Those would be those rules about not lying blatantly? > They're more like guidelines, and more Human than specifically > atheist. > Well, Al, I always try to tell the truth. Sometimes I am given information by atheists that turns out to be false, such as a large portion of what I was taught in school. Robert B. Winn |