Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 3 Jul 2008 19:08 On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <d0006342-ae9e-4491-937f-762ecf238...(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>: >> .... >> >God has eternal life, >> >> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >> worth considering. >> >> > >Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. If you think He is >not, go ahead and try to prove it. You are the one who worships something that is utterly unsupported by any evidence. I no more have to prove that God does not exist than prove that the Invisible Pink Unicorn or Thor or Wotan do not exist. You sell nothing.
From: Free Lunch on 3 Jul 2008 19:10 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:35:45 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 2, 4:01?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:11:58 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <c814e6b2-460a-44d6-b765-aad82332d...(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 5:03?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:24:32 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> >> <6fbc8acb-105d-435d-b962-ddf76fb3d...(a)p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >> >> >>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >> >> >>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >> >> >> >>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >> >> >>>> So? >> >> >> >>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >> >> >> >>> Paul said it was. >> >> >> >> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >> >> >> >> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >> >> >> > believe your fable. >> >> >> >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >2 Tim 4:3 ?For the time will come when they will not endure sound >> >> >doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >> >> >teachers, having itching ears; >> >> >4 ? And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >> >> >turned unto fables. >> >> >> As you _know_, this says nothing about evolution. I've see >> >> three-year-olds who can tell more convincing lies than you do.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, I think we should just wait until after the resurrection and ask >> >Paul if he was talking about evolution. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> Why do you avoid the question? >> >> I might as well say that we should wait until Ragnarok to find out if >> you are Loki.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Anything I say you are just going to say I am lying. I think you need >to talk to the apostle Paul in order to become convinced. That means >it will have to wait until you are resurrected. When you stop lying, I will stop pointing out that you are a liar. I will never call you a liar if you are not lying.
From: Free Lunch on 3 Jul 2008 19:13 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:38:08 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 2, 4:02?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:12:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <36321999-e6aa-4a55-a3a8-0bbda160a...(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >> .... >> >> >No, I really do believe Paul. ?I think he had it exactly right. >> >> So, he made claims that are contrary to reality, and you buy his BS >> rather than reality. >> >> You are delusional.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >I believe anything Paul says. Yes, you do, particularly after you misrepresent what he wrote. You only worship yourself and your personal claims about the Bible, no matter how silly. >He had better information than >practically anyone who ever existed. You are inventing things. No evidence backs up that claim.
From: Free Lunch on 3 Jul 2008 19:13 On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:39:14 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 2, 4:03?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:38:13 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <57394af9-c4e1-41e3-9575-3efdee6c1...(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 7:11?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> >> <5a6e721c-a4e8-41e0-b92d-5724b8818...(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:13?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> > Well, I am sure you will not. ?What would their reaction be to >> >> >> > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution >> >> >> > as a fable? >> >> >> >> They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to >> >> >> your lies.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >Well, I think that is exactly right. ?Atheists accuse anyone who >> >> >disagrees with their atheistic doctrines of lying. >> >> >> That's your excuse. I call you a liar because you are lying. It has >> >> nothing to do with disagreeing with you, it has to do with the fact that >> >> you have chosen to lie repeatedly to us. It must be sad for you that >> >> everyone, even the lowly atheists, can see how totally untrustworthy and >> >> dishonest you are.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Uh huh. ?Well, why is it that you think I should care what you think >> >about me? >> >> You should care about the impression you make. Being a liar doesn't earn >> you respect, not even from those who share your beliefs.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >People who share my beliefs never accuse me of lying. We get along >fine. Does anyone share the faith you have? You certainly aren't an orthodox Latter-Day Saint.
From: Free Lunch on 3 Jul 2008 19:15
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: .... >> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >> worth considering. > >Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. If you think He is >not, go ahead and try to prove it. >Robert B. Winn Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. |