Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 3 Jul 2008 16:57 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 8:39 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 2, 2:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 2, 12:44 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 7:08�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >>>>>>>> <f9708904-6500-4209-b487-ab99be5d1...(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>>>>>> confirms my assessment.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>>>>>> reproduction control. >>>>>>>> Back up your defamatory claim with some evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Why? Am I supposed to care whether you believe what I say? >>>>>> Why bother talking at all then? You know that no-one will listen without >>>>>> you backing up your claims.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I do not care whether you listen. I do not care whether you believe >>>>> there is a tunnel between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. I do >>>>> not care whether you believe there is an earthen ramp built by the >>>>> Assyrian army over the wall of the city of Lachish. The fact that you >>>>> disbelieve something does not change it. I believe what I believe. >>>>> What you are saying is that everyone else believes something different >>>>> from what I believe, so I should never say what I believe. First of >>>>> all, not everyone believes something different from what I believe. >>>>> Only atheists seem to consistently believe something different. >>>> No, again you misunderstand me. You're fully entitled to spout off about >>>> whatever you like, but we're free to think you're another crazy >>>> god-addled believer until you can come up with some compelling evidence >>>> that we should take seriously. So far you have some ancient physical >>>> features that may or may not be the ones mentioned in the Bible. There >>>> are plenty of other such places in there. None of them show that the >>>> Bible is anything more than fiction written about some real places. >>>> The Qu'ran has many such places too. Is that true? >>>> So, spout away! :-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> No, that is not true. I have read the Quran. It does not compare >>> with the Bible in any way except with regard to some names. I would >>> classify it as an uninspired writing. >> But why? The places mentioned there exist, and their stories share some >> common elements with mainstream history, just like the Bible. You should >> revere the book as holy!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > You do not appear to have read the Koran. Rather than simply issue a weak denial, can you actually address the substance of my argument?
From: BuddyThunder on 3 Jul 2008 16:59 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 8:41 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 2, 1:32�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. >>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>>>> reproduction control. >>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women >>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >>>> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that >>>> up.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, >>> just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. >>> Does this seem unfair to you? >> Fair enough, but you must then submit to your lies being called lies. >> That's freedom of speech for ya!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I do not have to submit to anything. What you do is your problem, not > mine. Fair enough, liar. :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 3 Jul 2008 17:01 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. >>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>>>> reproduction control. >>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women >>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China >>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here >>> in the United States. >> Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in >> the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your >> credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented. > Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death > after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put > her in the trunk of a car. Strangely, the police discovered when they > found her body that none of it had been documented. So we do know > that sometimes things do not get documented. That is kind of sad. You have to do a lot of back-pedalling to try to square your opinions with some vague notion of reality, don't you!
From: BuddyThunder on 3 Jul 2008 17:02 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 8:41 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 2, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. >>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>>>> reproduction control. >>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >>>>> States? We know they do in China. However, there are a lot of women >>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I am not playing a game. Atheists run China, and women in China >>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. It also happens here >>> in the United States. >> Can you cite for either case?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > As I said, believe what you want to believe. I do not care what you > believe. Right you are, liar! :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 3 Jul 2008 17:04
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 2, 8:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 2, 2:17 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 2, 12:45 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 5:00�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:27:47 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >>>>>>>> <6ec0a32a-3255-47d6-b573-5ace27ba6...(a)26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>:>On Jul 1, 12:29�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> No, you didn't. �I told you from the beginning that I was a Vietnam >>>>>>>>>>> veteran. >>>>>>>>>> Did you? I don't remember it. >>>>>>>>>> Your record of lying has not served you well, it was an honestly-held >>>>>>>>>> suspicion. I have been corrected. See how easy it is to admit that I was >>>>>>>>>> wrong? >>>>>>>>> How do you know I was telling the truth about being a Vietnam >>>>>>>>> veteran? �Do you see how you are getting onto shaky ground here? >>>>>>>> We don't. We also know that you lie to us all the time. Still, it >>>>>>>> doesn't matter in this discussion whether you have lied to us about your >>>>>>>> service in Vietnam or not. Do you have PTSD? >>>>>>> What they accused me of was paranoid schizophrenia. At the time I did >>>>>>> not pay much attention to it until they started to try to kill me with >>>>>>> tranquilizers. The reason why I still talk to atheists is because >>>>>>> they act exactly like people who work in psychiatry. >>>>>>> They are people who hate me for no reason at all. That is behavior >>>>>>> that seems very strange to me. >>>>>> I don't hate you at all, I just vigourously disagree with you. Actually, >>>>>> I don't even understand you.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, I am sure there were SS concentration camp guards who would say >>>>> that they did not hate the Jews. Actions sometimes speak louder than >>>>> words. >>>> Do you really think I'm comparable to a Nazi guard? No need to be so >>>> defensive about your faith, no-one's forcing you to post! No-one's >>>> forcing you to renounce your faith. Easy tiger, it ain't that bad! >>>> I've even tried to be nice, but it's hard when you're being unfairly >>>> compared to Nazis.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> All people who have ever lived can be compared to Nazis. Some are >>> worse than Nazis, some are better than Nazis. Why would it bother you >>> to be compared to Nazis? I would not bother me. I am nothing like >>> any Nazi. >> Then why make a meaningless comparrison like that? Except to dishonestly >> smear your opponent by association. That's what religion has reduced you >> to, and I think that's sad.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Wonderful. Plus, atheists have forbidden mention of the Nazi Party. Where is that forbidden, liar? Please stop lying, you're embarassing yourself, but don't seem to know it! Maybe if you made your bigotry conform more closely to reality? ... |