Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 3 Jul 2008 22:28 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:fdfd0d39-1fef-4ff3-b0f6-05a0ffba71ae(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 2, 5:48?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:e4adda1f-72df-44dd-a0a9-248f3f553530(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 1, 5:02?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:16f63b1c-48f2-4f6b-a992-ffe63a8a5221(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try ?to impose > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you want to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> formulate > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> policy. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said > > > >>>>>>>>>>> they > > > >>>>>>>>>>> would be > > > >>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story > > > >>>>>>>>>>> about > > > >>>>>>>>>>> animals > > > >>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. > > > >>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > > >>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of > > > >>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>>> fact > > > >>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > > >>>>>> So? > > > >>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted > > > >>>>>> text - > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just > > > >>>>> as > > > >>>>> Paul said it was. > > > >>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly > > > >>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>> I just believe what Paul said. You seem a little upset that I do > > > >>> not > > > >>> believe your fable. > > > >> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- Hide quoted > > > >> text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > 2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound > > > > doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves > > > > teachers, having itching ears; > > > > 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be > > > > turned unto fables. > > > > I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any description > > > of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can you help > > > me > > > out? You made a claim that seems difficult to substantiate.- Hide > > > quoted > > > text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Certainly. ?This is easy to resolve. ?Just wait until after the > > resurrection, and ask Paul in person what he was writing about. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > You appear to believe in mythological characters. > > Maybe you should ask Harry Potter? > > Well, I am not an atheist. ?I do not believe in Harry Potter. > --------------------------------------------------- > Well, I _am_ an atheist. ?I do not believe in Paul. > Paul would be the best one to inform with regard to that. --------------------------------------------------- Harry Potter would be the best one to inform with regard to that. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 3 Jul 2008 22:38 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:d134b149-4c57-442a-aeac-ad4763cf57f7(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > >> Steve O > > >God has eternal life, > > Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an > indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not > worth considering. > John 17:3 ------------------------------------- Ho! <Whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: raven1 on 4 Jul 2008 00:04 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 03:35:34 +0100, "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >I think the guy is better off going to food lines and living as a >homeless person than being in a mental institution. I make that >judgment based on my own personal experience. Which explains everything neatly. <plonk>
From: rbwinn on 4 Jul 2008 00:29 On Jul 3, 3:52�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > >Maybe we can all wait until we are resurrected, and I can introduce > >her to you. > > Apparently you cannot tell the truth while you are alive.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I can tell the truth. No atheist can accept it. As Paul said, they will be unable to endure sound doctrine, but will heap unto themselves teachers, having itching ears. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 4 Jul 2008 00:30
On Jul 3, 3:54�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that > >> >> >> up. > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if > >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > >> -what State and city this occurred in > >> -what agency made such a demand, and > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > >> slightest bit credible.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China because the > >atheists who run China are nice people. > > But you, you lying pile of feces, claimed that this happened in the > United States. Of course you are also quite hateful in your implication > that atheists in the United States defend the evil done in China.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, it seems to me that you do. Robert B. Winn |