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From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:45 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:a61f0b99-7df5-4b94-a572-ff4f6158a989(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 10:55 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > > > >> >> >> >wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > > > >> >> >> >> >wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 > > > >> >> >> >> >> ><quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> ><lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >for water between Gihon > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pointed out to you. You lie > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> distract us from the lie > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion in the United > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that you refuse to repent > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >abortion on the United > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ever forced to have an > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >to get welfare > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial > > > >> >> >> >> >> >by jury, > > > >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. > > > >> >> >> >> >> This has > > > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to > > > >> >> >> >> >> have abortions in > > > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a > > > >> >> >> >> >> completely bogus > > > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our > > > >> >> >> >> >> > government"? ?Or > > > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say > > > >> >> >> >> >> >"our government". > > > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. > > > >> >> >> >> >> Your pathetic > > > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your > > > >> >> >> >> >> claim, just > > > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > > > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to > > > >> >> >> >> >governmental > > > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a > > > >> >> >> >> claim; now > > > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in > > > >> >> >> >the United > > > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot > > > >> >> >> >of women > > > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women > > > >> >> >> >in mental > > > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know > > > >> >> >> >personally > > > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for > > > >> >> >> clearing that > > > >> >> >> up. > > > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this > > > >> >> >woman, > > > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I > > > >> >> >say. > > > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > > > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite > > > >> >> frankly, > > > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a > > > >> >> transparent > > > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > > > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests > > > >> >> that > > > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting > > > >> >> your > > > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > > > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps > > > >> if > > > >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > > > >> -what State and city this occurred in > > > >> -what agency made such a demand, and > > > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > > > >> slightest bit credible. > > > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China > > > > Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not > > > what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the > > > woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to > > bother that woman. I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel > > instead. > > Robert B. Winn > > If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god, > isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter? > If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human > invention of a " god"? > Or you wish to remain as hypocrite as any loon?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No ------------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:46 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:7dda8306-75cd-4975-a43f-c4e8b92d11b1(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 5:25?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:27:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > >On Jul 3, 10:55?pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > ... > > > > > > >> > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to > >> > bother that woman. ?I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel > >> > instead. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god, > >> isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter? > >> If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human > >> invention of a " god"? > >> Or you wish to remain as hypocrite as any loon?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >No, the tunnel is just a reference of something that atheists have > >trouble denying, although they make every effort. ?The same with the > >earthen ramp. ?Three different books of the Bible describe the > >construction of the tunnel. ?The New Testament mentions the Pool of > >Siloam , which is where the water goes which flows through the > >tunnel. ? So there are verses in the New Testament as well as in the > >Old Testament which the tunnel verifies. > > The actual evidence about the tunnel shows us that the stories in the > Bible about it are wrong. Please, by all means, keep telling us of the > evidence that the Bible is made up.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well ----------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:49 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:50ec128f-8422-44db-b7dd-36e17bb35030(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 3:52?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > >Maybe we can all wait until we are resurrected, and I can introduce > >her to you. > > Apparently you cannot tell the truth while you are alive.- Hide quoted > text - > > - Show quoted text - I can -------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:50 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:e7cd6164-1971-4db5-ac8f-b7697953ce52(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 12:03 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:f439739b-df39-4426-ad02-e6a1c711f3fa(a)z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 4, 12:29 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 3, 3:52?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> > wrote > >> > in alt.atheism: > >> > >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting > >> > >> your > >> > >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> > >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > >> > >Maybe we can all wait until we are resurrected, and I can introduce > >> > >her to you. > > >> > Apparently you cannot tell the truth while you are alive.- Hide > >> > quoted > >> > text - > > >> > - Show quoted text - > > >> I can tell the truth. No atheist can accept it. As Paul said, they > >> will be unable to endure sound doctrine, but will heap unto themselves > >> teachers, having itching ears. > >> Robert B. Winn > > You're quoting this Paul person as if he had some kind of authority. > Why? > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack, > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > > > > > > > The trouble is, truth is the least in your mind. > > Or you choose to be blind.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Paul ---------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:55
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:ed4b2284-5a6b-487d-b501-98a5d33c0ad3(a)j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 3:57?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 2, 2:15?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > >> >>>>>>>> ... > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water > >> >>>>>>>>>>> between Gihon > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to > >> >>>>>>>>>> you. You lie > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from > >> >>>>>>>>>> the lie > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in > >> >>>>>>>>>> the United > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you > >> >>>>>>>>>> refuse to repent > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the > >> >>>>>>>>> United > >> >>>>>>>>> States. > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced > >> >>>>>>>> to have an > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get > >> >>>>>>> welfare > >> >>>>>>> assistance. > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > >> >>>>> right? > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions > >> >>>> in > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > >> >>>> claim on your part. > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our > >> >>>>> government". > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your > >> >>>> pathetic > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, > >> >>>> just > >> >>>> confirms my assessment. > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >> >>> reproduction control. > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; > >> >> now > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > >> > States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in > >> > mental > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >I am not playing a game. ?Atheists run China, and women in China > >definitely do get government ordered abortions. > > It's a bit more complex than that, none of this has anything to do with > atheism as you must know, but since you are someone who has a > third-grade understanding of the world and your religion, I can > understand how you got confused. > > >It also happens here in the United States. > > You keep claiming this. You appear to be lying. If you were not lying, > you would have been pointing us to evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So ------------------------------ Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |