Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Alex W. on 5 Jul 2008 06:44 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message news:Byybk.192914$NN3.190983(a)newsfe08.ams2... > ------------------------------- > Ho! <whack> > Wacking Day already?
From: Alex W. on 5 Jul 2008 06:53 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:62956527-c824-415d-93ab-cdbf47127a02(a)k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 9:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > For the umpteenth time, we cannot tell Jesus anything. > If he existed at all, he died nearly 2,000 years ago. > Apart from an alleged brief visit shortly afterward, he hasn't been seen > since. > How can we tell him anything, huh? > > - Show quoted text - Well, it is called prayer. Christians are commanded to pray. ==================== And you're sure your prayer gets through ... even though no-one in the history of Christian prayer has ever answered. You know, if I dial a number and get no connection, I may try a few more times, but sooner or later I realise that there's no phone at the other end ....
From: Arif on 5 Jul 2008 07:06 On May 28, 1:01 am, John Locke <johnlocke98...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Tue, 27 May 2008 09:41:47 -0500, Antares 531 > > > > <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: > >On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:24:35 -0700, John Locke > ><johnlocke98...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >>On Mon, 26 May 2008 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT), > >>mitch.nicolas.raem...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > >>>No. I don't think so. > > >>If "God" did exist, then proof would be essential. Putting faith > >>in an undetectable entity is shear foolishness and a waste of > >>time and effort. > > >Objective proof of God's existence would reduce us to nothing but > >puppets. We would have no sovereign will, no options other than to > >puppy up to God and function like pre-programmed robots. We would > >never mature into sovereign beings whom God can interact with at His > >own level. > > The religious have already been reduced to pre-programmed mindless > childish robots just as you describe. Proof of "God's" existence > sure couldn't do that mess any harm. > > "It is far better to grasp the Universe > as it really is than to persist in delusion, > however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan I agree with you. Anyway, it is up to one's belief.
From: Alex W. on 5 Jul 2008 07:08 "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message news:m6zbk.192976$NN3.170950(a)newsfe08.ams2... > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:211e4c29-e783-4569-b7f9- > > Well, his sheep know his voice. Atheists do not. > ---------------------------------- > > Jesus loves ewe! > Jesus was Welsh?
From: rbwinn on 5 Jul 2008 08:15
On Jul 4, 5:19�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:211e4c29-e783-4569-b7f9-b5847f257287(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 3, 5:07?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > in alt.atheism: > > > >On Jul 2, 3:59?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism > > >> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in > > >> <871cf3fc-2cb9-42aa-99d8-bc4efed0a...(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: > > > >> >On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> >> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > >> >> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > >> >> > On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > >> >> > > On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> > > > > On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> > > > > wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > > >> >> > > > >>> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > > >> >> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>> <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mythology and try ?to impose > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence.. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe whatever you want to > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the myth to formulate > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inform foreign policy. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said they would be > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> story about animals > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> humans. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> denial of the fact > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> So? > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>> fable, just as > > >> >> > > > >>>>>>> Paul said it was. > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> such silly > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset > > >> >> > > > >>>>> that I do not > > >> >> > > > >>>>> believe your fable. > > >> >> > > > >>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- > > >> >> > > > >>>> Hide quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> > > > >>> 2 Tim 4:3 ?For the time will come when they will not > > >> >> > > > >>> endure sound > > >> >> > > > >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to > > >> >> > > > >>> themselves > > >> >> > > > >>> teachers, having itching ears; > > >> >> > > > >>> 4 ? And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, > > >> >> > > > >>> and shall be > > >> >> > > > >>> turned unto fables. > > >> >> > > > >> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any > > >> >> > > > >> description > > >> >> > > > >> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can > > >> >> > > > >> you help me > > >> >> > > > >> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to > > >> >> > > > >> substantiate.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >> >> > > > > Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too > > >> >> > > > > difficult > > >> >> > > > > for you. ?Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. > > > >> >> > > > I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where > > >> >> > > > evolution > > >> >> > > > is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of > > >> >> > > > disease. I'm > > >> >> > > > sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than > > >> >> > > > pathogens.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> > > > - Show quoted text - > > > >> >> > > Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to > > >> >> > > fables > > >> >> > > to explain things. ?So today we see science explaining most > > >> >> > > things by > > >> >> > > fables. > > >> >> > > Robert B. Winn > > > >> >> > Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? ?And we'll show > > >> >> > you > > >> >> > how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. > > > >> >> > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > >> >> > - Show quoted text - > > > >> >> Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to > > >> >> endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the > > >> >> existence of mankind without a God. > > >> >> Robert B. Winn > > > >> >That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. > > >> >Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own > > >> >imagination? > > > >> >Al > > > >> I do think that Paul was being pretty slick when he predicted that > > >> someone would call him on his BS, but that his followers should ignore > > >> that he had nothing at all to back up his claims.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > >Well, probably the best one to explain your idea to would be Jesus > > >Christ. > > > As you know, there is no evidence that He exists now and very little > > that supports the claim that He once existed.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, his sheep know his voice. �Atheists do not. > ---------------------------------- > > Jesus loves ewe! > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I think it is wonderful that you have found something to amuse yourself. Robert B. Winn |