Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Daniel Mandic on 4 Jul 2008 15:55 Free Lunch wrote: > What do you think the Bible is right about? Normally I would spit you an insult to such an anadulted argument.... Dude, the Bible isn't right in the least, that's the clue ;-) Forget your Nazi thinking and come back to real world! :) Best regards, Daniel Mandic P.S.: There is nothing technic nor science in the Bible.... challenge!!!! hehe --
From: Daniel Mandic on 4 Jul 2008 16:06 rbwinn wrote: > Your claim is that no woman in the United States has ever been > subjected to reproductive control. I say you are wrong. I personally > know a woman who was. So let's talk about China. Do you claim that > no women in China have ever been subjected to reproduction control? I > believe that you atheists have a plan in place for the entire world, > not just the United States and China. > Robert B. Winn they are plain mad... or rightly said, plain broken.... Besr regards, Daniel Mandic
From: Daniel Mandic on 4 Jul 2008 16:07 hhyapster(a)gmail.com wrote: > Yes, our plan is to rid this world of loonies and bigotry which is > leading the way backwards.... > You find that so bad? that's the difference... you talk about bigotry.... the bible only tells ;) --
From: BuddyThunder on 4 Jul 2008 18:22 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>> going to trust. >>>>>>>>>>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful >>>>>>>>>>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for >>>>>>>>>>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you think >>>>>>>>>>> that is a fanciful claim? >>>>>>>>>> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to >>>>>>>>>> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely >>>>>>>>>> unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a >>>>>>>>> tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a >>>>>>>>> ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an atheist >>>>>>>>> these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually >>>>>>>>> people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just >>>>>>>>> giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do. Since atheists >>>>>>>>> have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to >>>>>>>>> proceed on to anything more complex. >>>>>>>> Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it >>>>>>>> got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support >>>>>>>> for any supernatural claims. >>>>>>>> So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The Assyrians came >>>>>>> into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home >>>>>>> after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot in the >>>>>>> middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea to >>>>>>> Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King >>>>>>> Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah? Sennacherib >>>>>>> himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah. >>>>>> Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by Sennacherib >>>>> in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that Hezekiah >>>>> paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home >>>>> after he got the money. >>>> Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked. That doesn't >>>> mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000 >>>> troops in a night. >>>> Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over Sennacherib's?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> 186,000 troops. Chaldean historians of the same time said that the >>> Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and >>> Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of Ninevah. >>> Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column he >>> erected. He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians that the >>> army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons >>> murdered him, probably because they were upset about him losing the >>> army. >> So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for both sides >> can be made without invoking magic.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, from a military standpoint, the Jews had no chance whatsoever > against the Assyrians. But when it was all over, it was the Assyrian > king who lost everything, including his own life. So I would say, let > atheists of today explain it their way, and let Christians explain it > their way. The Jews explained it by saying that an angel of the Lord > killed 186,000 Assyrian troops. That is a matter of record. It is > recorded in three different books of the Old Testament. The Old Testament isn't particularly compelling evidence, it suggests that there was a global flood and special creation over the course of six days. It might be a "matter of record" on some things, but it is definitely not on others.
From: BuddyThunder on 4 Jul 2008 18:29
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 3, 7:19 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 4, 6:33 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 3, 2:01 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>>>>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. >>>>>>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>>>>>>>> reproduction control. >>>>>>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >>>>>>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >>>>>>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women >>>>>>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >>>>>>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >>>>>>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >>>>>>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China >>>>>>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here >>>>>>> in the United States. >>>>>> Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in >>>>>> the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your >>>>>> credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented. >>>>> Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death >>>>> after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put >>>>> her in the trunk of a car. Strangely, the police discovered when they >>>>> found her body that none of it had been documented. So we do know >>>>> that sometimes things do not get documented. >>>> That is kind of sad. You have to do a lot of back-pedalling to try to >>>> square your opinions with some vague notion of reality, don't you!- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Your claim is that no woman in the United States has ever been >>> subjected to reproductive control. I say you are wrong. I personally >>> know a woman who was. So let's talk about China. Do you claim that >>> no women in China have ever been subjected to reproduction control? I >>> believe that you atheists have a plan in place for the entire world, >>> not just the United States and China. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Yes, our plan is to rid this world of loonies and bigotry which is >> leading the way backwards.... >> You find that so bad?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I believe Adolf Hitler had a similar plan. Just get rid of > the inferior beings, and everything will be wonderful, right? So how > does that get rid of bigotry? BAAAHAHA!! Loopy godder! |