Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 08:25 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:27:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 3, 10:55�pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> .... >> > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to >> > bother that woman. �I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel >> > instead. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god, >> isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter? >> If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human >> invention of a " god"? >> Or you wish to remain as hypocrite as any loon?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >No, the tunnel is just a reference of something that atheists have >trouble denying, although they make every effort. The same with the >earthen ramp. Three different books of the Bible describe the >construction of the tunnel. The New Testament mentions the Pool of >Siloam , which is where the water goes which flows through the >tunnel. So there are verses in the New Testament as well as in the >Old Testament which the tunnel verifies. The actual evidence about the tunnel shows us that the stories in the Bible about it are wrong. Please, by all means, keep telling us of the evidence that the Bible is made up.
From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 08:26 On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:29:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 3, 3:52?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> in alt.atheism: > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. >> >Maybe we can all wait until we are resurrected, and I can introduce >> >her to you. >> >> Apparently you cannot tell the truth while you are alive.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >I can tell the truth. Then you are far more immoral for choosing to lie. >No atheist can accept it. I can always accept the truth. I know that you are not telling the truth. >As Paul said, they >will be unable to endure sound doctrine, but will heap unto themselves >teachers, having itching ears. Are you now blaming Paul for the lies you tell?
From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 08:27 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:23:12 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 3, 10:51�pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 4, 12:32 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 3, 3:57?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> > > in alt.atheism: >> >> > > >On Jul 2, 2:15?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> > > >> rbwinn wrote: >> > > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> > > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >> wrote: >> >> > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> > > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >>>> wrote: >> > > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >>>>>> wrote: >> > > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> > > >> >>>>>>>> ... >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >> > > >> >>>>>>>>> States. >> > > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >> > > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >> > > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >> > > >> >>>>>>> assistance. >> > > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >> > > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >> > > >> >>>>> right? >> > > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >> > > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >> > > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >> > > >> >>>> claim on your part. >> > > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >> > > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >> > > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >> > > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >> > > >> >>>> confirms my assessment. >> > > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >> > > >> >>> reproduction control. >> > > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >> > > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >> > > >> > States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women >> > > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >> > > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >> > > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >> >> > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > > >I am not playing a game. ?Atheists run China, and women in China >> > > >definitely do get government ordered abortions. >> >> > > It's a bit more complex than that, none of this has anything to do with >> > > atheism as you must know, but since you are someone who has a >> > > third-grade understanding of the world and your religion, I can >> > > understand how you got confused. >> >> > > >It also happens here in the United States. >> >> > > You keep claiming this. You appear to be lying. If you were not lying, >> > > you would have been pointing us to evidence.- Hide quoted text - >> >> > > - Show quoted text - >> >> > So what do you think you are running here, a court of law? >> > Real judges do not impress me. �What made you think that imitators >> > like you would? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> So, you don't even respect rel judge, let alone anything truth or >> system.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Judges today deny the right to trial by jury. Why would I respect >them? That claim is inaccurate, as are almost all of your other claims. Why do you lie to us?
From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 08:29 On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:39:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> >> >On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >> >> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >> >> worth considering. >> >> >Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is >> >not, ?go ahead and try to prove it. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. > >Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get >over the city wall at Lachish. Atheists do not believe in the earthen >ramp. Why do you keep telling lies like that? No one here is denying things that exist. What they are pointing out is that your interpretation of those things is dishonest and false.
From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 08:34
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:58:13 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 3, 6:02�pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 3, 7:54 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 2, 1:15?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:8477a37f-f1a9-4725-a891- >> >> > > > Well, if I am not mistaken, you did say that you were going to die and >> > > > decompose. ?That was as far as we got with your future plans. >> > > > Robert B. Winn >> >> > > It's not a future plan >> > > It is a future inevitability. >> > > You need to distinguish between the two. >> >> > > -- >> > > Steve O >> > > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> > > B.A.A.W.A. >> > > Convicted by Earthquack, >> > > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> > > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> > > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" >> >> > Well, I think that you will discover that your spirit does not stay in >> > your body after you die. �As I understand it, you want yours to >> > decompose with your physical body. >> > Rober B. Winn >> >> The spirit you are talking about is the consciousness of human when >> his biological body is functioning, helped by his live brain wave and >> aided by various body sensors. >> When a person dies, his body cells die too and the consciousness (no >> spirit) stop to be generated. >> That is how biological living cells worked, in human at least. >> You loons and bigots take consciousness as souls and spirit which can >> exist after death. >> There is no such thing as soul or spirit.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, so you think it is a mistake to believe in a soul. Why would it >be a mistake? No evidence supports the concept. >Even if it were as you say, the person is motivated to >live a better life than by just believing in the management of the >creature. The worst a person could do by believing in a soul would be >to live a better life. So, you are just cynical and manipulative and think that people will only behave well if they are made fake promises that the person making the promise cannot deliver. Wow. |