Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 11:47 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 4, 5:22?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 3, 4:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >right? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >> >> >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >> >> >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >> >> >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >> >> >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. >> >> >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >> >> >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >> >> >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >> >> >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women >> >> >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >> >> >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >> >> >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >> >> >> >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that >> >> >> >> >> up. >> >> >> >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, >> >> >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. >> >> >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? >> >> >> >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your >> >> >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, >> >> >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent >> >> >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt >> >> >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that >> >> >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your >> >> >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. >> >> >> >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if >> >> >> you were to provide a detailed account of >> >> >> >> -what State and city this occurred in >> >> >> -what agency made such a demand, and >> >> >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis >> >> >> >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the >> >> >> slightest bit credible. >> >> >> >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China >> >> >> Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not >> >> what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the >> >> woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to >> >bother that woman. ?I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel >> >instead. >> >Robert B. Winn >> >> As I understand the evidence, the tunnel is evidence that the Bible is >> wrong. If I am mistaken, please provide evidence to the contrary.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >The Bible says that a conduit for water was dug between Gihon spring >and the Pool of Siloam. But it was wrong about when it was dug.
From: Free Lunch on 4 Jul 2008 11:49 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:31:32 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism: >On Jul 4, 3:14�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jul 3, 6:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Jul 3, 9:43 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >>>>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> >>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >> >>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >> >>>> =========== >> >>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >> >>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >> >>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. �However, atheists claim >> >>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >> >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> So, what you have written so far is sin, please repent fast, real >> >> fast. >> >> However, since you loons always can ask for forgiveness, whatever sin >> >> committed never matters. >> >> We, OTOH, always careful to make sure we do the lawful and un-sinful >> >> things. >> >> That is the real difference between loons and atheists (or normal >> >> people).- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > Right. �So when atheist Josef Stalin killed 12 million people, he was >> > careful to do it in the lawful and un-sinful way. >> >> Yup. He slept as peaceful as a babe. >> >> He had redefined sin to be anything he personally wasn't and didn't >> like, or want to happen. >> >> About the same as your average fascist Christian. >> >> Sin is what you think it is. >> >> >> > >I think sin is wilful disobedience to God. So? Do you get to lie? Did God tell you to?
From: G=EMC^2 Glazier on 4 Jul 2008 11:40 I know God is good at turning water into wine,but I'm not a wino. If he or she can turn water into Bud light I would be his most ardent believer. Until that happens God is all hocus pocus. He can't even walk on water. He could be living in his crazy estate called heaven That fits Bert
From: Steve O on 4 Jul 2008 12:29 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> Sin is what you think it is. >> >> >> > > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God. > Robert B. Winn In that case, I've never committed a sin. God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is it possible for me to disobey him? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Richard Meredith on 4 Jul 2008 13:34
In article <g4lbtl$9pq$1(a)cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com>, chris.shore(a)arm.nospam.com (Chris Shore) wrote: > *From:* "Chris Shore" <chris.shore(a)arm.nospam.com> > *Date:* Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:25:57 +0100 > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:b5ef084b-b578-47aa-b9bf-1285e1588579(a)27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com. > .. > > >Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get > >over the city wall at Lachish. Atheists do not believe in the > earthen > >ramp. > > Of course atheists believe in the ramp. It exists and its existence > cannot > be denied. But the existence of the ramp does not prove that the > entire > OT is fact, nor does it prove anything, anything at all, about God. > > What is your point in pointing out the existence of this thing? There is no point. Usenet discussions about religion are seldom anything more than an opportunity for all sorts of people to restate their particular set of beliefs loudly and vociferously while paying little attention and less respect to the views of anyone else. |