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From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:25 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:c609a75d-0179-4af5-b167-1914a95eef10(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 6:02 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 3, 7:54 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 1:15?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > news:8477a37f-f1a9-4725-a891- > > > > > Well, if I am not mistaken, you did say that you were going to die > > > > and > > > > decompose. ?That was as far as we got with your future plans. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > It's not a future plan > > > It is a future inevitability. > > > You need to distinguish between the two. > > > > -- > > > Steve O > > > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > > > B.A.A.W.A. > > > Convicted by Earthquack, > > > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > > > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at > > > the > > > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > > > Well, I think that you will discover that your spirit does not stay in > > your body after you die. As I understand it, you want yours to > > decompose with your physical body. > > Rober B. Winn > > The spirit you are talking about is the consciousness of human when > his biological body is functioning, helped by his live brain wave and > aided by various body sensors. > When a person dies, his body cells die too and the consciousness (no > spirit) stop to be generated. > That is how biological living cells worked, in human at least. > You loons and bigots take consciousness as souls and spirit which can > exist after death. > There is no such thing as soul or spirit.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well --------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:25 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:0a0fbe52-4a69-483c-b3c1-f0a31454e09b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 5:34?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:58:13 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 6:02?pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 3, 7:54 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> > On Jul 2, 1:15?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:8477a37f-f1a9-4725-a891- > > >> > > > Well, if I am not mistaken, you did say that you were going to > >> > > > die and > >> > > > decompose. ?That was as far as we got with your future plans. > >> > > > Robert B. Winn > > >> > > It's not a future plan > >> > > It is a future inevitability. > >> > > You need to distinguish between the two. > > >> > > -- > >> > > Steve O > >> > > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > >> > > B.A.A.W.A. > >> > > Convicted by Earthquack, > >> > > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence > >> > > "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely > >> > > at the > >> > > face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > > >> > Well, I think that you will discover that your spirit does not stay > >> > in > >> > your body after you die. ?As I understand it, you want yours to > >> > decompose with your physical body. > >> > Rober B. Winn > > >> The spirit you are talking about is the consciousness of human when > >> his biological body is functioning, helped by his live brain wave and > >> aided by various body sensors. > >> When a person dies, his body cells die too and the consciousness (no > >> spirit) stop to be generated. > >> That is how biological living cells worked, in human at least. > >> You loons and bigots take consciousness as souls and spirit which can > >> exist after death. > >> There is no such thing as soul or spirit.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, so you think it is a mistake to believe in a soul. ?Why would it > >be a mistake? > > No evidence supports the concept. > > >Even if it were as you say, the person is motivated to > >live a better life than by just believing in the management of the > >creature. ?The worst a person could do by believing in a soul would be > >to live a better life. > > So, you are just cynical and manipulative and think that people will > only behave well if they are made fake promises that the person making > the promise cannot deliver. > > Wow.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well -------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:33 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:2f0f28b7-2caa-487f-b1a1-1e85f761ed79(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19?pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. ? The existence > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. Does that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trees and Tom > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like great public > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? ? ?-Kurt Vonnegut > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who > >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know > >>>>>>>>>>>> we can > >>>>>>>>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you > >>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>> going to trust. > >>>>>>>>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your > >>>>>>>>>> fanciful > >>>>>>>>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Fanciful claims? I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam. Why do you > >>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>> that is a fanciful claim? > >>>>>>>> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm > >>>>>>>> referring to > >>>>>>>> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're > >>>>>>>> completely > >>>>>>>> unable to support with any evidence.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a > >>>>>>> tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish. To an > >>>>>>> atheist > >>>>>>> these might seem like supernatural claims because there were > >>>>>>> actually > >>>>>>> people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just > >>>>>>> giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do. Since > >>>>>>> atheists > >>>>>>> have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> proceed on to anything more complex. > >>>>>> Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no > >>>>>> support > >>>>>> for any supernatural claims. > >>>>>> So why all the posts?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> You do not seem to be visualizing it very well. The Assyrians came > >>>>> into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home > >>>>> after taking a big chunk of Egypt. Judea was a little dot in the > >>>>> middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea > >>>>> to > >>>>> Egypt. So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King > >>>>> Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah? Sennacherib > >>>>> himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah. > >>>> Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> What do you mean so the story goes? The column erected by Sennacherib > >>> in Ninevah is still there today. He plainly says on it that Hezekiah > >>> paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home > >>> after he got the money. > >> Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked. That doesn't > >> mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000 > >> troops in a night. > > >> Why do you favour the oddly magical Biblical account over > >> Sennacherib's?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > 186,000 troops. Chaldean historians of the same time said that the > > Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and > > Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of Ninevah. > > Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column he > > erected. He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians that the > > army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons > > murdered him, probably because they were upset about him losing the > > army. > > So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for both sides > can be made without invoking magic.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well ------------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:42 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:54f871e3-009e-4f18-97af-395a6ed25b86(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 3:54?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >water between Gihon > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> distract us from the lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion in the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >abortion on the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ever forced to have an > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >get welfare > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by > >> >> >> >> >> >jury, > >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. > >> >> >> >> >> This has > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have > >> >> >> >> >> abortions in > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a > >> >> >> >> >> completely bogus > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? > >> >> >> >> >> > ?Or > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our > >> >> >> >> >> >government". > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your > >> >> >> >> >> pathetic > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your > >> >> >> >> >> claim, just > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a > >> >> >> >> claim; now > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the > >> >> >> >United > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of > >> >> >> >women > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in > >> >> >> >mental > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know > >> >> >> >personally > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> up. > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a > >> >> transparent > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests > >> >> that > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if > >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > >> -what State and city this occurred in > >> -what agency made such a demand, and > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > >> slightest bit credible.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China because the > >atheists who run China are nice people. > > But you, you lying pile of feces, claimed that this happened in the > United States. Of course you are also quite hateful in your implication > that atheists in the United States defend the evil done in China.- Hide > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well -------------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 19:43
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:af5231aa-0775-47c0-8e39-fd03d7156818(a)e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 4:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >water between Gihon > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> distract us from the lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion in the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >abortion on the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ever forced to have an > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >get welfare > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by > >> >> >> >> >> >jury, > >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. > >> >> >> >> >> This has > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have > >> >> >> >> >> abortions in > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a > >> >> >> >> >> completely bogus > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? > >> >> >> >> >> > ?Or > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our > >> >> >> >> >> >government". > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your > >> >> >> >> >> pathetic > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your > >> >> >> >> >> claim, just > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a > >> >> >> >> claim; now > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the > >> >> >> >United > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of > >> >> >> >women > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in > >> >> >> >mental > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know > >> >> >> >personally > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> up. > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a > >> >> transparent > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests > >> >> that > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if > >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > >> -what State and city this occurred in > >> -what agency made such a demand, and > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > >> slightest bit credible. > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China > > Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not > what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the > woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well -------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |