Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 13:39 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 3:03�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> Alex W. wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>> =========== >>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. �However, atheists claim >>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. >> >> >> >>> ========== >>> Sin is a social construct. �It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped >>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Sin is wilful disobedience of God. Well thats OK then,. God has never told me to do anything, or not to do anything. I guess I am sin free then. Repentance is confessing and > forsaking sin. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 13:41 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 3:06 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 3, 5:32�pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>>> =========== >>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. �However, atheists claim >>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>>> ========== >>>> Sin is a social construct. �It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped >>>> ... or not, as the case may be. >>> Well, there is no sin in heaven. Maybe that is why atheists do not >>> want to go there. >> It's more true to say that by removing what you loosely term sin, you >> arrive at a place you loosely call heaven. >> >> However it is only one point on a certain map: there are many other >> places to visit.. >> >> As the Jewish mystics were well aware.. >> >> > Well, for instance, you could visit hell. Why anyone would want to > visit hell, I do not know. Oh dear. tere are at least 22 places in 4different planes, apart from the qlipoth, on the kabbalsiic maps, none of which is hell. Hell is a pagan European invention. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 13:44 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 3:14 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 3, 6:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Jul 3, 9:43 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>>>> =========== >>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. �Nice morality .... >>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. However, atheists claim >>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> So, what you have written so far is sin, please repent fast, real >>>> fast. >>>> However, since you loons always can ask for forgiveness, whatever sin >>>> committed never matters. >>>> We, OTOH, always careful to make sure we do the lawful and un-sinful >>>> things. >>>> That is the real difference between loons and atheists (or normal >>>> people).- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Right. So when atheist Josef Stalin killed 12 million people, he was >>> careful to do it in the lawful and un-sinful way. >> Yup. He slept as peaceful as a babe. >> >> He had redefined sin to be anything he personally wasn't and didn't >> like, or want to happen. >> >> About the same as your average fascist Christian. >> >> Sin is what you think it is. >> >> >> > > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God. There you go! sin is what you think it is. Which is waht I dsaid. *I* think sin is disregarding all the data that the world presents you with, and adhering to a musty old book that wasn't what you claim it is, even when it was written, out of sheer intellectual laziness, emotional weakness and spiritual pride. But that's only what *I* think. YMMV. .. Go ask Jesus. > Robert B. Winn
From: Alex W. on 4 Jul 2008 13:58 "The Natural Philosopher" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:1215193342.30385.3(a)proxy01.news.clara.net... > Oh dear. tere are at least 22 places in 4different planes, apart from the > qlipoth, on the kabbalsiic maps, none of which is hell. Hell is a pagan > European invention. "Hell is other people."
From: Alex W. on 4 Jul 2008 14:01
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:70bb7662-af68-463b-9d30-27afbf90ba77(a)x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... Sin is wilful disobedience of God. Repentance is confessing and forsaking sin. ============== Since sin exists across all cultures and religions -- and even in a completely secular context -- it certainly goes beyond any single god's obsession with the minutiae of our lifestyle. |