Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 20:45 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:70bb7662-af68-463b-9d30-27afbf90ba77(a)x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > Alex W. wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > >> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in > >> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > > >> =========== > > >> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice > >> is > >> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim > > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > > Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. > > > > > ========== > > > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) > > worshipped > > ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sin ========================= Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 20:47 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:00a0b386-e780-4a21-9b09-79677299ac2c(a)x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... On Jul 3, 6:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 3, 9:43 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in > > > the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > > > > =========== > > > > In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart > > > choice is > > > to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. However, atheists claim > > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > > Robert B. Winn > > So, what you have written so far is sin, please repent fast, real > fast. > However, since you loons always can ask for forgiveness, whatever sin > committed never matters. > We, OTOH, always careful to make sure we do the lawful and un-sinful > things. > That is the real difference between loons and atheists (or normal > people).- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Right. ..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 4 Jul 2008 20:48 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4(a)z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 3:14 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 3, 6:39 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 3, 9:43 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in > >>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > >>>> =========== > >>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart > >>>> choice is > >>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > >>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. However, atheists claim > >>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> So, what you have written so far is sin, please repent fast, real > >> fast. > >> However, since you loons always can ask for forgiveness, whatever sin > >> committed never matters. > >> We, OTOH, always careful to make sure we do the lawful and un-sinful > >> things. > >> That is the real difference between loons and atheists (or normal > >> people).- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Right. So when atheist Josef Stalin killed 12 million people, he was > > careful to do it in the lawful and un-sinful way. > > Yup. He slept as peaceful as a babe. > > He had redefined sin to be anything he personally wasn't and didn't > like, or want to happen. > > About the same as your average fascist Christian. > > Sin is what you think it is. > > > I think ----------------------------- No you don't! Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: hhyapster on 4 Jul 2008 21:37 On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 3, 7:19 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 6:33 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 2:01 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> States. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> assistance. > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > >>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > >>>>>>>>> right? > > > > >>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > >>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > >>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > >>>>>>>> claim on your part. > > > > >>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > >>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > >>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > >>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > >>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. > > > > >>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > >>>>>>> reproduction control. > > > > >>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > >>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > >>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > > > > >>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > >>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > >>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > >>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >>> I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > > > > >>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here > > > > >>> in the United States. > > > > >> Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in > > > > >> the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your > > > > >> credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented.. > > > > > Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death > > > > > after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put > > > > > her in the trunk of a car. Strangely, the police discovered when they > > > > > found her body that none of it had been documented. So we do know > > > > > that sometimes things do not get documented. > > > > > That is kind of sad. You have to do a lot of back-pedalling to try to > > > > square your opinions with some vague notion of reality, don't you!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Your claim is that no woman in the United States has ever been > > > subjected to reproductive control. I say you are wrong. I personally > > > know a woman who was. So let's talk about China. Do you claim that > > > no women in China have ever been subjected to reproduction control? I > > > believe that you atheists have a plan in place for the entire world, > > > not just the United States and China. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > Yes, our plan is to rid this world of loonies and bigotry which is > > leading the way backwards.... > > You find that so bad?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, I believe Adolf Hitler had a similar plan. Just get rid of > the inferior beings, and everything will be wonderful, right? So how > does that get rid of bigotry? > Robert B. Winn No, Hitler planned for his race. We want to get rid of falsehood/lies which impede human progress. And if we stick to lies, how would that make us in the next generation?
From: hhyapster on 4 Jul 2008 21:42
On Jul 4, 7:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 3, 10:51 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 12:32 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 3:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > in alt.atheism: > > > > > >On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >> >>>> wrote: > > > > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > >> >>>>>>>> ... > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> States. > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > >> >>>>>>> assistance. > > > > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > >> >>>>> right? > > > > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > >> >>>> claim on your part. > > > > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > >> >>>> confirms my assessment. > > > > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > >> >>> reproduction control. > > > > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > >> > States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > > > > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > > > > >definitely do get government ordered abortions. > > > > > It's a bit more complex than that, none of this has anything to do with > > > > atheism as you must know, but since you are someone who has a > > > > third-grade understanding of the world and your religion, I can > > > > understand how you got confused. > > > > > >It also happens here in the United States. > > > > > You keep claiming this. You appear to be lying. If you were not lying, > > > > you would have been pointing us to evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > So what do you think you are running here, a court of law? > > > Real judges do not impress me. What made you think that imitators > > > like you would? > > > Robert B. Winn > > > So, you don't even respect rel judge, let alone anything truth or > > system.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Judges today deny the right to trial by jury. Why would I respect > them? > Robert B. Winn The right to trial by jury is the basic in the US, why would you be denied? |