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From: Richard Meredith on 5 Jul 2008 08:20 In article <756f4c42-5fd6-4c63-97c5-de4cf9bdb17f(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, rbwinn3(a)juno.com (rbwinn) wrote: > *From:* rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> > *Date:* Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:54:27 -0700 (PDT) > > On Jul 4, 11:49_am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > Richard Meredith wrote: > > > In article <g4lbtl$9p...(a)cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com>, > > > chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com (Chris Shore) wrote: > > > > >> *From:* "Chris Shore" <chris.sh...(a)arm.nospam.com> > > >> *Date:* Fri, 4 Jul 2008 15:25:57 +0100 > > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >>news:b5ef084b-b578-47aa-b9bf-1285e1588579(a)27g2000hsf.googlegroups.co > m. > > >> .. > > > > >>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to > > get > > >>> over the city wall at Lachish. _Atheists do not believe in the > > >> earthen > > >>> ramp. > > >> Of course atheists believe in the ramp. It exists and its > > existence > > >> cannot > > >> be denied. But the existence of the ramp does not prove that the > > >> entire > > >> OT is fact, nor does it prove anything, anything at all, about > > God. > > > > >> What is your point in pointing out the existence of this thing? > > > > > There is no point. Usenet discussions about religion are seldom > > anything > > > more than an opportunity for all sorts of people to restate their > > > particular set of beliefs loudly and vociferously while paying > > little > > > attention and less respect to the views of anyone else. > > > > Oh come ON, poor old Robbo has been given a test of faith: he has > > to go > > up against satanic atheists and all sorts of sinners to test his > > beliefs. We have to at least give him a run for his money. > > > > He is obviously fairly deluded. > > > > Its just a way of passing the time..- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Actually I was discussing the Galilean transformation equations with > scientists before atheists started posting to me in > sci.physics.relativity. Atheists, theists - what's the difference? They're both equally dogmatic that what they happen to believe is the one and only version of the truth, despite a complete inability to prove it - or even put up a decent set of repeatable and verifiable evidence that supports their position.
From: rbwinn on 5 Jul 2008 08:19 On Jul 4, 6:37 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 7:19 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 6:33 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 3, 2:01 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >>> On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ... > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> States. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> assistance. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right? > > > > > >>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > > >>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > > >>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > > >>>>>>>> claim on your part. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > > >>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > > >>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > > >>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > > >>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. > > > > > >>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > > >>>>>>> reproduction control. > > > > > >>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > > >>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > > >>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > > > > > >>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > > >>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > > >>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > >>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >>> I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > > > > > >>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here > > > > > >>> in the United States. > > > > > >> Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in > > > > > >> the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your > > > > > >> credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented. > > > > > > Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death > > > > > > after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put > > > > > > her in the trunk of a car.  Strangely, the police discovered when they > > > > > > found her body that none of it had been documented.  So we do know > > > > > > that sometimes things do not get documented. > > > > > > That is kind of sad. You have to do a lot of back-pedalling to try to > > > > > square your opinions with some vague notion of reality, don't you!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Your claim is that no woman in the United States has ever been > > > > subjected to reproductive control.  I say you are wrong.  I personally > > > > know a woman who was.  So let's talk about China.  Do you claim that > > > > no women in China have ever been subjected to reproduction control?  I > > > > believe that you atheists have a plan in place for the entire world, > > > > not just the United States and China. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Yes, our plan is to rid this world of loonies and bigotry which is > > > leading the way backwards.... > > > You find that so bad?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I believe Adolf Hitler had a similar plan.   Just get rid of > > the inferior beings, and everything will be wonderful, right?  So how > > does that get rid of bigotry? > > Robert B. Winn > > No, Hitler planned for his race. > We want to get rid of falsehood/lies which impede human progress. > And if we stick to lies, how would that make us in the next generation?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - About the same way you are now. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 5 Jul 2008 08:26 On Jul 4, 6:42 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 4, 7:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 10:51 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 12:32 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 3, 3:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > > > > > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> ... > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> States. > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > > >> >>>>>>> assistance. > > > > > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > > >> >>>>> right? > > > > > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > > >> >>>> claim on your part. > > > > > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > > >> >>>> confirms my assessment. > > > > > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > > >> >>> reproduction control. > > > > > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > > >> > States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women > > > > > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China > > > > > >definitely do get government ordered abortions. > > > > > > It's a bit more complex than that, none of this has anything to do with > > > > > atheism as you must know, but since you are someone who has a > > > > > third-grade understanding of the world and your religion, I can > > > > > understand how you got confused. > > > > > > >It also happens here in the United States. > > > > > > You keep claiming this. You appear to be lying. If you were not lying, > > > > > you would have been pointing us to evidence.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > So what do you think you are running here, a court of law? > > > > Real judges do not impress me.  What made you think that imitators > > > > like you would? > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > So, you don't even respect rel judge, let alone anything truth or > > > system.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Judges today deny the right to trial by jury.  Why would I respect > > them? > > Robert B. Winn > > The right to trial by jury is the basic in the US, why would you be > denied?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You would be denied the right to trial by jury because judges and lawyers have held that the right to trial by jury in all criminal prosecutions does not include most criminal prosecutions, only those that give publicity and profit to lawyers. So today unless you are on trial for a serious felony, your right to trial by jury is not even considered. The judicial branch of this government has done nothing since the 1960's except copy what happens in European courts. Their decision is that the sixth amendment means that American citizens do not have the right to trial by jury. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 5 Jul 2008 08:27 On Jul 4, 6:46 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 4, 7:27 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 10:55 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 3, 4:50�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us.. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental > > > > > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now > > > > > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United > > > > > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women > > > > > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental > > > > > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally > > > > > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > > > > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that > > > > > >> >> >> up. > > > > > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman, > > > > > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say. > > > > > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > > > > > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly, > > > > > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent > > > > > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt > > > > > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that > > > > > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your > > > > > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice. > > > > > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if > > > > > >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > > > > > >> -what State and city this occurred in > > > > > >> -what agency made such a demand, and > > > > > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > > > > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > > > > > >> slightest bit credible. > > > > > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China > > > > > > Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not > > > > > what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the > > > > > woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to > > > > bother that woman.  I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel > > > > instead. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god, > > > isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter? > > > If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human > > > invention of a " god"? > > > Or you wish to remain as hypocrite as any loon?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No, the tunnel is just a reference of something that atheists have > > trouble denying, although they make every effort.  The same with the > > earthen ramp.  Three different books of the Bible describe the > > construction of the tunnel.  The New Testament mentions the Pool of > > Siloam , which is where the water goes which flows through the > > tunnel.  So there are verses in the New Testament as well as in the > > Old Testament which the tunnel verifies. > > Robert B. Winn > > Your argument here shows either your state of mind or you want to > believe in bible, regardless of the parallel analogy in the two story > books.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, why don't you go ahead and believe what you want to believe, and I will believe what I believe. Does that seem unfair to you? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 5 Jul 2008 08:30
On Jul 4, 7:29�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> >> Alex W. wrote: > >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> >> >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups..com... > >> >> > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups..com... > > >> >> >> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in > >> >> >> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > > >> >> >> =========== > > >> >> >> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is > >> >> >> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > > >> >> > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim > >> >> > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > > >> >> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. > > >> >> > ========== > > >> >> > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped > >> >> > ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and > >> >forsaking sin. > > >> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do > >> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from > >it. � I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people.. > > God is still a human invention. Clearly the fear of God does not stop > you from lying in almost every post. > > I will not respond to you for a while, you have become far too nasty in > your discussions here.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I think that is wonderful. Robert B. Winn |