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From: Smiler on 5 Jul 2008 19:24 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6d91ovF1ehh1U1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message > news:Byybk.192914$NN3.190983(a)newsfe08.ams2... > > >> ------------------------------- >> Ho! <whack> >> > > Wacking Day already? I'm fed up his lies and insults. If we all answer in the same manner, maybe he'll go away. Plonking him is no solution. That just means there's less opposition to his lies. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 5 Jul 2008 19:24 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:c4d3b3fe-69cb-4205-95ab-2859e7b04afd(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 8:47?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 4, 5:25?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:27:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote > >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 3, 10:55?pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> >> On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >> ... > > >> >> > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to > >> >> > bother that woman. ?I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's > >> >> > tunnel > >> >> > instead. > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god, > >> >> isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter? > >> >> If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human > >> >> invention of a " god"? > >> >> Or you wish to remain as hypocrite as any loon?- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >No, the tunnel is just a reference of something that atheists have > >> >trouble denying, although they make every effort. ?The same with the > >> >earthen ramp. ?Three different books of the Bible describe the > >> >construction of the tunnel. ?The New Testament mentions the Pool of > >> >Siloam , which is where the water goes which flows through the > >> >tunnel. ? So there are verses in the New Testament as well as in the > >> >Old Testament which the tunnel verifies. > > >> The actual evidence about the tunnel shows us that the stories in the > >> Bible about it are wrong. Please, by all means, keep telling us of the > >> evidence that the Bible is made up.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, atheists, of course, are required to say that the Bible is > >wrong. ? So what is the Bible wrong about? > > Why do you repeat that lie after you have been corrected repeatedly? > > Atheists are not required to do anything. Stop claiming otherwise. > > The Bible contains many mistakes, from the creation stories, the Flood > story, the Exodus, to the story about the Slaughter of the Innocents and > the darkness at noon on Good Friday. It even got the provenance of a > tunnel wrong. > > What do you think the Bible is right about?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The ---------------------------------- Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 5 Jul 2008 19:27 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:10caf982-5716-46d3-99a2-41241f72c10f(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 8:47?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 4, 5:22?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote > >> in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 3, 4:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ><lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >for water between Gihon > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pointed out to you. You lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> distract us from the lie > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> imposes abortion in the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lies that you refuse to repent > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >abortion on the United > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is ever forced to have an > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >to get welfare > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >trial by jury, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >right? > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> irrelevant. This has > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> have abortions in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> completely bogus > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > government"? ?Or > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"our government". > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> lying. Your pathetic > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> your claim, just > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to > >> >> >> >> >> >> >governmental > >> >> >> >> >> >> >reproduction control. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made > >> >> >> >> >> >> a claim; now > >> >> >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in > >> >> >> >> >> >the United > >> >> >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a > >> >> >> >> >> >lot of women > >> >> >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, > >> >> >> >> >> >women in mental > >> >> >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know > >> >> >> >> >> >personally > >> >> >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. > > >> >> >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for > >> >> >> >> >> clearing that > >> >> >> >> >> up. > > >> >> >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this > >> >> >> >> >woman, > >> >> >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I > >> >> >> >> >say. > >> >> >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you? > > >> >> >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your > >> >> >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite > >> >> >> >> frankly, > >> >> >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a > >> >> >> >> transparent > >> >> >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to > >> >> >> >> doubt > >> >> >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it > >> >> >> >> suggests that > >> >> >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, > >> >> >> >> projecting your > >> >> >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >> >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that > >> >> >> >choice. > > >> >> >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. > >> >> >> Perhaps if > >> >> >> you were to provide a detailed account of > > >> >> >> -what State and city this occurred in > >> >> >> -what agency made such a demand, and > >> >> >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis > > >> >> >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the > >> >> >> slightest bit credible. > > >> >> >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China > > >> >> Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not > >> >> what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to > >> >> the > >> >> woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to > >> >bother that woman. ?I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel > >> >instead. > >> >Robert B. Winn > > >> As I understand the evidence, the tunnel is evidence that the Bible is > >> wrong. If I am mistaken, please provide evidence to the contrary.- Hide > >> quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >The Bible says that a conduit for water was dug between Gihon spring > >and the Pool of Siloam. > > But it was wrong about when it was dug.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It was ======================== Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 5 Jul 2008 19:41 "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:486fe914$1(a)clear.net.nz... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Jul 4, 5:19?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:211e4c29-e783-4569-b7f9-b5847f257287(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 3, 5:07?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote >>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jul 2, 3:59?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>>>> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>>> <871cf3fc-2cb9-42aa-99d8-bc4efed0a...(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fable, just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such silly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 ?For the time will come when they will not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> endure sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves >>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 ? And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and shall be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned unto fables. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any >>>>>>>>>>>>> description >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can >>>>>>>>>>>>> you help me >>>>>>>>>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>>> substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too >>>>>>>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>>>>>>> for you. ?Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where >>>>>>>>>>> evolution >>>>>>>>>>> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of >>>>>>>>>>> disease. I'm >>>>>>>>>>> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than >>>>>>>>>>> pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to >>>>>>>>>> fables >>>>>>>>>> to explain things. ?So today we see science explaining most >>>>>>>>>> things by >>>>>>>>>> fables. >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>> Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? ?And we'll show >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. >>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to >>>>>>>> endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> existence of mankind without a God. >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. >>>>>>> Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own >>>>>>> imagination? >>>>>>> Al >>>>>> I do think that Paul was being pretty slick when he predicted that >>>>>> someone would call him on his BS, but that his followers should >>>>>> ignore >>>>>> that he had nothing at all to back up his claims.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Well, probably the best one to explain your idea to would be Jesus >>>>> Christ. >>>> As you know, there is no evidence that He exists now and very little >>>> that supports the claim that He once existed.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, his sheep know his voice. ?Atheists do not. >>> ---------------------------------- >>> >>> Jesus loves ewe! >>> >>> Smiler, >>> The godless one >>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> I think it is wonderful that you have found something to amuse >> yourself. > > It must be sad to not have a sense of humour, as you claimed to never > joke. Life is funny, crack a smile! Have you ever found a fundy with a SOH? They're as rare as hen's teeth. Seems like the religion virus destroys their SOH at the same time it destroys their intelligence. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: Smiler on 5 Jul 2008 20:15
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:797e0a7a-6107-4ccf-aa5b-ff89513038d5(a)f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >> Alex W. wrote: > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >> >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > >> > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in > >> >> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. > > >> >> =========== > > >> >> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart > >> >> choice is > >> >> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > > >> > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim > >> > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > > >> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. > > >> > ========== > > >> > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) > >> > worshipped > >> > ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and > >forsaking sin. > > As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do > anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So ======================== Ho! <whack> Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279 |