Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 5 Jul 2008 17:34 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 6:37 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 4, 7:09 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 3, 7:19 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>> On Jul 4, 6:33 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 3, 2:01 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:52�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim on your part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirms my assessment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental >>>>>>>>>>>>> reproduction control. >>>>>>>>>>>> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now >>>>>>>>>>>> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United >>>>>>>>>>> States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women >>>>>>>>>>> in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental >>>>>>>>>>> institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally >>>>>>>>>>> was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance. >>>>>>>>>> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China >>>>>>>>> definitely do get government ordered abortions. �It also happens here >>>>>>>>> in the United States. >>>>>>>> Again, bullshit. Provide one *documented* example of it happening in >>>>>>>> the US. Not an anecdote about some woman you claim to know. Your >>>>>>>> credibility is zero until you back up your claim.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, I would suspect that nothing like that ever gets documented. >>>>>>> Here in Phoenix a woman went to an abortion clinic, bled to death >>>>>>> after the doctor went home, and the staff of the abortion clinic put >>>>>>> her in the trunk of a car. Strangely, the police discovered when they >>>>>>> found her body that none of it had been documented. So we do know >>>>>>> that sometimes things do not get documented. >>>>>> That is kind of sad. You have to do a lot of back-pedalling to try to >>>>>> square your opinions with some vague notion of reality, don't you!- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Your claim is that no woman in the United States has ever been >>>>> subjected to reproductive control. I say you are wrong. I personally >>>>> know a woman who was. So let's talk about China. Do you claim that >>>>> no women in China have ever been subjected to reproduction control? I >>>>> believe that you atheists have a plan in place for the entire world, >>>>> not just the United States and China. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Yes, our plan is to rid this world of loonies and bigotry which is >>>> leading the way backwards.... >>>> You find that so bad?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, I believe Adolf Hitler had a similar plan. Just get rid of >>> the inferior beings, and everything will be wonderful, right? So how >>> does that get rid of bigotry? >>> Robert B. Winn >> No, Hitler planned for his race. >> We want to get rid of falsehood/lies which impede human progress. >> And if we stick to lies, how would that make us in the next generation?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > About the same way you are now. Is there no end to your ability to stick your head in the sand and ignore that virtually nothing you've said has any basis in fact?
From: BuddyThunder on 5 Jul 2008 17:35 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 5:19�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:211e4c29-e783-4569-b7f9-b5847f257287(a)l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 3, 5:07?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>> in alt.atheism: >>>> On Jul 2, 3:59?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:13:46 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>>>> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>> <871cf3fc-2cb9-42aa-99d8-bc4efed0a...(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >>>>>> On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 11:27 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:34 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 12:25 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fable, just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such silly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please identify what he said about it? Please?- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Tim 4:3 ?For the time will come when they will not >>>>>>>>>>>>> endure sound >>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to >>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves >>>>>>>>>>>>> teachers, having itching ears; >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 ? And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and shall be >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned unto fables. >>>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any mention of evolution. I can't even see any >>>>>>>>>>>> description >>>>>>>>>>>> of the theory, or even a theistic strawman description. Can >>>>>>>>>>>> you help me >>>>>>>>>>>> out? You made a claim that seems difficult to >>>>>>>>>>>> substantiate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think we are getting into subject matter that is too >>>>>>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>>>>>> for you. ?Maybe we should go back to Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>>>> I'm not struggling, maybe you could point out the verse where >>>>>>>>>> evolution >>>>>>>>>> is singled out. Maybe he's talking about the germ theory of >>>>>>>>>> disease. I'm >>>>>>>>>> sure you believe that demons are behind illness, rather than >>>>>>>>>> pathogens.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Well, Paul said that in the last days, men would be turned to >>>>>>>>> fables >>>>>>>>> to explain things. ?So today we see science explaining most >>>>>>>>> things by >>>>>>>>> fables. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Please explain how "evolution" counts as a fable? ?And we'll show >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> how you understanding of evolution is horribly wrong. >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Well, as Paul pointed out, in the last days men would be unable to >>>>>>> endure sound doctrine and would devise a fable to try to explain the >>>>>>> existence of mankind without a God. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> That doesn't relate evolution to a fable. >>>>>> Do you ever answer a question that isn't just from your own >>>>>> imagination? >>>>>> Al >>>>> I do think that Paul was being pretty slick when he predicted that >>>>> someone would call him on his BS, but that his followers should ignore >>>>> that he had nothing at all to back up his claims.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Well, probably the best one to explain your idea to would be Jesus >>>> Christ. >>> As you know, there is no evidence that He exists now and very little >>> that supports the claim that He once existed.- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> Well, his sheep know his voice. �Atheists do not. >> ---------------------------------- >> >> Jesus loves ewe! >> >> Smiler, >> The godless one >> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I think it is wonderful that you have found something to amuse > yourself. It must be sad to not have a sense of humour, as you claimed to never joke. Life is funny, crack a smile!
From: BuddyThunder on 5 Jul 2008 17:40 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 8:37�pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: >> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>> in alt.atheism: >>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >>>>>>> in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >>>>>>>>> worth considering. >>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is >>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it. >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. >>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get >>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish. >>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps. >>>>> Am I then God? >>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp. >>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps, >>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist. >>>>> And secondly what has the fact that �person B may or may not believe >>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z? >>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. �The Assyrian army did. �God would >>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of >>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone. >>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them? >> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly >> telling us that god is a useless being. >> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes, >> more drunk than wake.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will > choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other > atheists. So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?
From: BuddyThunder on 5 Jul 2008 17:50 BURT wrote: > There was a Beginning to time but No Before. > > Mitch Raemsch There ----------------------------- Ho! <whack>
From: G=EMC^2 Glazier on 5 Jul 2008 18:30
There is only one God. I have been told by a very high authority that God is badly needed in the Andronoma galaxy. Things have really gone bad there. Andronoma is a hell hole. As I'm typing God is fighting it out the the Andronoma devil. The devil does not fight fair,but not to worry God has bigger balls Bert |