Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:27 On Jul 21, 6:51�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> On Jul 20, 10:18 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >> ... > > >> >> >>> So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> >> >> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles. > > >> >> >So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> >> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve. > > >> >Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why don't you wait > >> >until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was one of the > >> >twelve? > > >> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you insist on making > >> a fool of yourself. > > >> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. > > >> If there were a God, He would strike you down for being such a bad > >> example.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul says he is an > >apostle. �Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many atheists of > >today say he was not. > > Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error. Nowhere in > the entire Bible does it say that Paul was one of the Twelve. That was a > claim you made up that was not true. > > Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out.
From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:29 On Jul 21, 7:01�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:02:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >> Europeans live as long as Americans -- if not longer -- even though we spend > >> half as much as you do on healthcare. > >> Unemployment is higher -- but then, losing your job is not a catastrophe. > >> We take care of our elderly, our sick, our disabled. > >> We earn less -- but we also have to work less, and we carry much less debt. > >> Our exports are doing very well -- not least to Americans who appreciate a > >> well-built machine. > >> Even our new currency is stable and solid(ish). > > >> Yep, we're in really deep doo-doo .... > > >Well, you forgot about all of the people who are missing in your > >society who were killed by abortion. �Without them I do not see much > >future for Europe other than what its past has been, a breeding ground > >for major wars. > > It seems to me that most Americans can trace their roots back to > Europe, or did you forget that little fact? Well, that is true. Why do you suppose they ended up in Armerica instead of in Europe? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:35 On Jul 21, 7:15 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 21, 5:48 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 7:28 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 12:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 20, 2:16�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 3:21 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > > > >>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > > > > > > > >>> United States will be. �All major decisions are made by the atheistic > > > > > > > >>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > > > > > > > >>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > > > > > > > >> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > > > > > > > >> Roberts: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Stevens: Protestant > > > > > > > >> Scalia: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Kennedy: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Souter: Episcopalian > > > > > > > >> Thomas: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Breyer: Jewish > > > > > > > >> Alito: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Ginsburg: Jewish > > > > > > > > >> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of > > > > > > > >> America, the federal law of the land. > > > > > > > > >> What were you saying again? > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision > > > > > > > > that did not promote atheism. �It does not matter if they all claim to > > > > > > > > be religious. �Actions speak louder than words. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Roe v. Wade > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Roe v Wade was a decision made on the grounds of violation of > > > > > privacy. �Not a theological argument anywhere. > > > > > Any more? > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Roe v. Wade was made on the grounds of atheism. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > You might want to review some court transcripts of the case.  It was > > > based on a privacy issue.  Saying otherwise doesn't make it any less > > > true. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > It had nothing to do with privacy.  The purpose was to impose European > > legal interpretation on the United States. > > Robert B. Winn > > Go read something not written by your church will you? > And your legal system is based on the English system, which borrows > heavily from other systems.  Get over it. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > Uh huh. Our legal system is gone, covered up by European interpretation. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:37 On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > > > >>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > > > >>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > > > >>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > > > >>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > > > >>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > > > >>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > > > >>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not > > > >>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > > > >>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control.. He > > > >>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > > > >>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > > > >>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well > > > >>>>> documented. > > > >>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > > > >>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > > > >>> a Christian by atheists of today. > > > >> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > > > >> atheism? > > > > >> -- > > > > So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will > > > > never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > > > > they were. > > > > Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > > > > Because what they did is irrelevant to me?  Now, back onto the question > > > you are REFUSING to answer: > > > > What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > > > Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > > > Stalin was an atheist.  His values and beliefs were much like yours > > are today. > > Robert B. Winn > > Torquemada was a christian.  His values and beliefs were much like > yours are today.  And you're doing your best to make us all see the > point of shooting christians.  You really are. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist dictator. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 21 Jul 2008 23:39
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>> atheism? >>>>>> -- >>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will >>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>> they were. >>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question >>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours >>> are today. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like >> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the >> point of shooting christians. You really are. >> >> Al- Hide quoted text - >> > Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an > unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist > dictator. So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism? What does atheism have to do with it? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ****************************************************** |