Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: The Chief Instigator on 22 Jul 2008 07:58 rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> writes: > On Jul 21, 10:08�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. >> >> >> You have no evidence at all about God. >> >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some evidence >> of God as well. > > God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. If that was not enough for > you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. Sacre m�rde...this supposed god sent Steve? Funny, how your holy book has been in error for only a couple of thousand years... -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick(a)io.com) Houston, Texas www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: Rockford 5, Houston 2 (April 25) NEXT GAME: The 2008-09 season opener in early October
From: DanielSan on 22 Jul 2008 08:24 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>>>> atheism? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will >>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>>>> they were. >>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question >>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours >>>>> are today. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like >>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the >>>> point of shooting christians. You really are. >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an >>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist >>> dictator. >> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism? >> What does atheism have to do with it? >> > Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator > was being an atheist. Why? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 22 Jul 2008 08:25 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 21, 8:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 21, 6:38 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>>>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>>>>>> atheism? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will >>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>>>>>> they were. >>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question >>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> It is relevant to atheism because Stalin was an atheist. >>>>>> So, is it also relevant to masculinity? Stalin was a man, after all... >>>>>> Stalin also had a mustache. Is that relevant, too? >>>>>> Oh, Stalin was also born in December. Is that relevant? >>>>>> Stalin married a wife. Is that relevant? >>>>> Why don't you just decide for yourself what you think is relevant, >>>>> Daniel? >>>> How about none of it being relevant? >>> Well, you get to decide for yourself. Don't be bashful. >> Fine. He's a man. You're a man. I decide that you and Stalin are the >> same. >> >> Happy? > > I am happy. Josef Stalin was another story. Okay, Mr Stalin. May I call you Stalin from now on? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Ye Old One on 22 Jul 2008 10:15 On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:50:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >Well, I am sure you will try to prove me wrong. >Robert B. Winn Nobody has ever seen you proven right. Coward! -- Bob.
From: Jon Green on 22 Jul 2008 10:24
rbwinn wrote: > > Jon, > Let what drop? The whole damn thread. > What is supposed to be so traumatic about this conversation? As a European (cam.misc, remember?), I rather resent being told (incorrectly) what my values are, and how they're inferior to American values, particularly by someone who clearly has little knowledge or experience of Europe. Making blanket assertions about whole races or groups of races is always going to walk you firmly into the minefield. > When I > used to talk to drug dealers, they would threaten to kill me about > every other day. (!) Jon -- SPAM BLOCK IN USE! To reply in email, replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines'. |