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From: DanielSan on 27 Jul 2008 00:01 BURT wrote: > "I want to know how God created this universe. I want to know His > thoughts. All the rest are just details." Albert Einstein Do you think you're clever? Do you think that we've never seen this quote before? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:36 On Jul 21, 7:15�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 21, 5:48 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 7:28 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 12:22 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 20, 2:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 19, 3:21 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > > > >>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > > > > > > > >>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic > > > > > > > >>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > > > > > > > >>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States. > > > > > > > >> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: > > > > > > > >> Roberts: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Stevens: Protestant > > > > > > > >> Scalia: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Kennedy: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Souter: Episcopalian > > > > > > > >> Thomas: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Breyer: Jewish > > > > > > > >> Alito: Roman Catholic > > > > > > > >> Ginsburg: Jewish > > > > > > > > >> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of > > > > > > > >> America, the federal law of the land. > > > > > > > > >> What were you saying again? > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision > > > > > > > > that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to > > > > > > > > be religious. Actions speak louder than words. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism". > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Roe v. Wade > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > Roe v Wade was a decision made on the grounds of violation of > > > > > privacy. Not a theological argument anywhere. > > > > > Any more? > > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Roe v. Wade was made on the grounds of atheism. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > You might want to review some court transcripts of the case. �It was > > > based on a privacy issue. �Saying otherwise doesn't make it any less > > > true. > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > It had nothing to do with privacy. �The purpose was to impose European > > legal interpretation on the United States. > > Robert B. Winn > > Go read something not written by your church will you? > And your legal system is based on the English system, which borrows > heavily from other systems. �Get over it. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > Actually our legal system is based on the Constitution of the United States, much to the surprise of atheists. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:36 On Jul 21, 7:16�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > > > >>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > > > >>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > > > >>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > > > >>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > > > >>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > > > >>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > > > >>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > > > >>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not > > > >>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > > > >>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control.. He > > > >>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > > > >>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > > > >>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well > > > >>>>> documented. > > > >>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > > > >>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > > > >>> a Christian by atheists of today. > > > >> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > > > >> atheism? > > > > >> -- > > > > So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will > > > > never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > > > > they were. > > > > Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > > > > Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question > > > you are REFUSING to answer: > > > > What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > > > Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > > > Stalin was an atheist. �His values and beliefs were much like yours > > are today. > > Robert B. Winn > > Torquemada was a christian. �His values and beliefs were much like > yours are today. �And you're doing your best to make us all see the > point of shooting christians. �You really are. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, Al, how long have you had these homicidal feelings? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:44 On Jul 22, 3:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:10:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >> > All atheists have European values. �The difference between European > >> > values and American values is that Europeans believe that people exist > >> > to serve governments. �Americans believe that governments exist to > >> > serve people. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> What an enormous load of bollocks. �The idea of the rights of the > >> individual (in western society) came from centuries of slow painful > >> progress by Europeans. > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >So why were the greatest atrocities in Europe in the last century? > > For one thing, America created a fertile breeding ground for them. If > Woodrow Wilson had not been so insistent on Germany paying war > reparations for their part the first World War, the second war may > never have happened. The reparations destroyed the German economy, > stirred anti-semetic attitudes, and made for a perfect atmosphere for > the Nazis to come to power. So, you can thank the good 'ol U.S.of A. > for that one. Right. It was the fault of Americans that the Nazis took over Germany. So the Germans just could not help themselves because of Americans. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:46
On Jul 22, 4:36�am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >On Jul 21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >On Jul 21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >On Jul 20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> > >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: > > >> >> >> >rbwinn wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Jul 20, 10:18 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >> >> >> ... > > >> >> >> >>> So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> >> >> >> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles. > > >> >> >> >So, Jesus didn't say it. > > >> >> >> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve. > > >> >> >Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why don't you wait > >> >> >until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was one of the > >> >> >twelve? > > >> >> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you insist on making > >> >> a fool of yourself. > > >> >> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve. > > >> >> If there were a God, He would strike you down for being such a bad > >> >> example.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> >The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul says he is an > >> >apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many atheists of > >> >today say he was not. > > >> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error. Nowhere in > >> the entire Bible does it say that Paul was one of the Twelve. That was a > >> claim you made up that was not true. > > >> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Acts 14:14 �Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they > >rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out. > > So, as you can see, apostle does not mean 'one of the Twelve'. > > Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Your god would be > embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, yes it does mean one of the Twelve. Robert B. Winn |