Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:48 On Jul 22, 5:24�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not > >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He > >>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > >>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well > >>>>>>>>>>> documented. > >>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > >>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > >>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > >>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > >>>>>>>> atheism? > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will > >>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > >>>>>>> they were. > >>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > >>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question > >>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: > >>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > >>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > >>>>> Stalin was an atheist. �His values and beliefs were much like yours > >>>>> are today. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> Torquemada was a christian. �His values and beliefs were much like > >>>> yours are today. �And you're doing your best to make us all see the > >>>> point of shooting christians. �You really are. > >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. �Pol Pot was just an > >>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist > >>> dictator. > >> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism? > >> What does atheism have to do with it? > > > Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator > > was being an atheist. > > Why? > Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:49 On Jul 22, 5:25�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 8:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 21, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 21, 6:38 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well > >>>>>>>>>>>>> documented. > >>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > >>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > >>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > >>>>>>>>>> atheism? > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will > >>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > >>>>>>>>> they were. > >>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > >>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question > >>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: > >>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > >>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> It is relevant to atheism because Stalin was an atheist. > >>>>>> So, is it also relevant to masculinity? �Stalin was a man, after all... > >>>>>> � Stalin also had a mustache. �Is that relevant, too? > >>>>>> Oh, Stalin was also born in December. �Is that relevant? > >>>>>> Stalin married a wife. �Is that relevant? > >>>>> Why don't you just decide for yourself what you think is relevant, > >>>>> Daniel? > >>>> How about none of it being relevant? > >>> Well, you get to decide for yourself. �Don't be bashful. > >> Fine. �He's a man. �You're a man. �I decide that you and Stalin are the > >> same. > > >> Happy? > > > I am happy. �Josef Stalin was another story. > > Okay, Mr Stalin. �May I call you Stalin from now on? > > -- As far as I am concerned, you can do whatever you decide to do. I do not pay any attention to what you do. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:50 On Jul 22, 7:15�am, Ye Old One <use...(a)mcsuk.net> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:50:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > enriched this group when s/he wrote: > > >Well, I am sure you will try to prove me wrong. > >Robert B. Winn > > Nobody has ever seen you proven right. > > Coward! > > -- > Bob. Well, maybe if they would open their eyes. Just an idea. I am not saying any atheists actually have to do it. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:52 On Jul 22, 7:24�am, Jon Green <jo...(a)deadspam.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > > Jon, > > � � � Let what drop? > > The whole damn thread. > > > What is supposed to be so traumatic about this conversation? > > As a European (cam.misc, remember?), I rather resent being told > (incorrectly) what my values are, and how they're inferior to American > values, particularly by someone who clearly has little knowledge or > experience of Europe. > > Making blanket assertions about whole races or groups of races is always > going to walk you firmly into the minefield. > > > When I > > used to talk to drug dealers, they would threaten to kill me about > > every other day. > Well, there is a basic difference between European and American philosophy. Europeans believe that people exist to serve the state. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:54
On Jul 22, 10:04�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com.... > > >> >> >God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. > > >> >> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text - > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some evidence > >> of > >> God as well. > > >> -- > >> Steve O > > > God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. �If that was not enough for > > you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. > > Robert B. Winn > > Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? > Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, it's > just an old, old story. > > -- > Steve O Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. Robert B. Winn |