Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:45 On Jul 21, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 6:38 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > >>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > >>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > >>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not > >>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > >>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control.. He > >>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > >>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > >>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well > >>>>>>>>> documented. > >>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > >>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > >>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > >>>>>> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > >>>>>> atheism? > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will > >>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > >>>>> they were. > >>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > >>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me?  Now, back onto the question > >>>> you are REFUSING to answer: > >>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > >>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > >>>> -- > >>> It is relevant to atheism because Stalin was an atheist. > >> So, is it also relevant to masculinity?  Stalin was a man, after all... > >>  Stalin also had a mustache.  Is that relevant, too? > > >> Oh, Stalin was also born in December.  Is that relevant? > >> Stalin married a wife.  Is that relevant? > > > Why don't you just decide for yourself what you think is relevant, > > Daniel? > > How about none of it being relevant? Well, you get to decide for yourself. Don't be bashful. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:46 On Jul 21, 7:38 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 22, 9:55 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 3:56�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >> Steve O > > > >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > > > >> B.A.A.W.A. > > > >> Convicted by Earthquack > > > >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > >The ones I have are just green pieces of paper. > > > > If you think they are nothing more than that, then just send them all > > > to me.. > > > Send them to you?  Don't you have your own green pieces of paper? > > Robert B. Winn > > He might.  But I don't.  Not any little pieces of printed paper at > all. > I'll happily take them off your hands, so long as there's more than an > exchange fee. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > Well, come by some time and I will give you some of them. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 21 Jul 2008 23:49 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 21, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 6:38 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well >>>>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>>>> atheism? >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will >>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>>>> they were. >>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question >>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>>>>> -- >>>>> It is relevant to atheism because Stalin was an atheist. >>>> So, is it also relevant to masculinity? Stalin was a man, after all... >>>> Stalin also had a mustache. Is that relevant, too? >>>> Oh, Stalin was also born in December. Is that relevant? >>>> Stalin married a wife. Is that relevant? >>> Why don't you just decide for yourself what you think is relevant, >>> Daniel? >> How about none of it being relevant? > > Well, you get to decide for yourself. Don't be bashful. Fine. He's a man. You're a man. I decide that you and Stalin are the same. Happy? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: rbwinn on 21 Jul 2008 23:58 On Jul 21, 7:45 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 11:52�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:eb8a53af-5a7c-4f8d-b8ce-3b4ee0c36918(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > > >>>> The Winn has a mental problem and there is no point to talk reason > >>>> with him....we have to wait for the medicine to be invented before a > >>>> mental disease get cured. > >>> In other words, you do not like to talk about religion, and you want > >>> to prevent discussion of religion. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Nonsense. > >> We love talking about religion. > >> In fact, we're probably experts on the subject. > >> Most of us have taken the time to find out as much as possible about it. > >> It's part of the reason why we're atheists. > > > So you were just pretending to be ignorant about religion? > > Sorry, where have we claimed that we were ignorant of religion? > > -- Well, it is not what you claim, it is what you are that counts. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 22 Jul 2008 00:00
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 21, 7:45 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 11:52�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eb8a53af-5a7c-4f8d-b8ce-3b4ee0c36918(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> The Winn has a mental problem and there is no point to talk reason >>>>>> with him....we have to wait for the medicine to be invented before a >>>>>> mental disease get cured. >>>>> In other words, you do not like to talk about religion, and you want >>>>> to prevent discussion of religion. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Nonsense. >>>> We love talking about religion. >>>> In fact, we're probably experts on the subject. >>>> Most of us have taken the time to find out as much as possible about it. >>>> It's part of the reason why we're atheists. >>> So you were just pretending to be ignorant about religion? >> Sorry, where have we claimed that we were ignorant of religion? >> >> -- > Well, it is not what you claim, it is what you are that counts. So, you lied when you said "So you were just pretending to be ignorant about religion"? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ****************************************************** |