Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Steve O on 22 Jul 2008 01:08 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> >> >God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. >> >> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? > Robert B. Winn You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some evidence of God as well. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
From: thomas p. on 22 Jul 2008 02:18 "z" <gzuckier(a)snail-mail.net> skrev i en meddelelse news:31d54e56-fb46-41fb-9b48-d115517482e9(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 14, 2:19 pm, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: > Alex, I'm sincerely sorry if you've gotten this impression from what > I've posted. To clarify this a bit, let me say that "good" is defined > as that which benefits everyone involved and does no harm to anyone. > "Evil" is defined as that which may benefit the perpetrator, or at > least seem to benefit the perpetrator for the time being, but in the > final analysis it is harmful to others, and maybe even to the > perpetrator. That sounds kind of like "anti-entropy" (for lack of a better term) and entropy. ____________________________________________________ thomas: It is actually vague to the point of being meaningless.
From: Alex W. on 22 Jul 2008 05:24 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:a3bc6a1a-98a0-4a58-8ab6-4dc6a6fede12(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... On Jul 21, 7:01?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:02:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > It seems to me that most Americans can trace their roots back to > Europe, or did you forget that little fact? Well, that is true. Why do you suppose they ended up in Armerica instead of in Europe? ============= They got lost and were too stubborn to ask for directions.
From: rbwinn on 22 Jul 2008 06:09 On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > >>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > >>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > >>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not > >>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > >>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control.. He > >>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > >>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > >>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well > >>>>>>>>> documented. > >>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > >>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > >>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > >>>>>> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > >>>>>> atheism? > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will > >>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > >>>>> they were. > >>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > >>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me?  Now, back onto the question > >>>> you are REFUSING to answer: > >>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > >>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > >>> Stalin was an atheist.  His values and beliefs were much like yours > >>> are today. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Torquemada was a christian.  His values and beliefs were much like > >> yours are today.  And you're doing your best to make us all see the > >> point of shooting christians.  You really are. > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al.  Pol Pot was just an > > unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist > > dictator. > > So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism? > What does atheism have to do with it? > Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator was being an atheist. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 22 Jul 2008 06:10
On Jul 21, 8:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 21, 6:38 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not > >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He > >>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > >>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > >>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well > >>>>>>>>>>> documented. > >>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > >>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > >>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > >>>>>>>> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > >>>>>>>> atheism? > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will > >>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > >>>>>>> they were. > >>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > >>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me?  Now, back onto the question > >>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: > >>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the > >>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> It is relevant to atheism because Stalin was an atheist. > >>>> So, is it also relevant to masculinity?  Stalin was a man, after all... > >>>>  Stalin also had a mustache.  Is that relevant, too? > >>>> Oh, Stalin was also born in December.  Is that relevant? > >>>> Stalin married a wife.  Is that relevant? > >>> Why don't you just decide for yourself what you think is relevant, > >>> Daniel? > >> How about none of it being relevant? > > > Well, you get to decide for yourself.  Don't be bashful. > > Fine.  He's a man.  You're a man.  I decide that you and Stalin are the > same. > > Happy? I am happy. Josef Stalin was another story. Robert B. winn |