Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 30 Jul 2008 00:57 On Jul 22, 1:06�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 20, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > > >>> On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > >>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > >>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > >>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > >>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > >>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not > >>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > >>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He > >>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > >>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > >>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well > >>>>>>>> documented. > >>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > >>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > >>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > >>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > >>>>> atheism? > >>>>> -- > >>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will > >>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > >>>> they were. > >>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > >>>> Robert B. Winn > >>> Yes. �Personal responsibility. �I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph > >>> Stalin. �Nor do they represent normal atheists. > >>> If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by > >>> religious people, feel free. �There's plenty butchers in that camp. > >> Exactly, I never really understood the smear campaigns. I am only > >> responsible for my own actions, a responsibility I happily accept. I > >> cannot be held responsible for atrocities committed before I was born, > >> no matter how similar the perp's worldview is to mine. > > >> I've never killed anyone, and I don't intend to.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > That is very commendable. �Pol Pot was just an unassuming person also > > until he became a Communist dictator. > > It didn't work with Joseph Stalin, it won't work with Pol Pot. > > You are religiously insane. I won't compare you to any historical > figure, as it's pointless and irrelevant. I'll just state the assertion > and cite this thread as evidence.- Hide quoted text - > Well, but what are you going to do if you become a dictator? Robert B. Winn
From: foolsrushin on 30 Jul 2008 01:20 On 30 Jul, 05:57, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 22, 1:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote: > > > >>> On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > >>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. > > >>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were > > >>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the > > >>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it > > >>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not > > >>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? > > >>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He > > >>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that > > >>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you > > >>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well > > >>>>>>>> documented. > > >>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? > > >>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been > > >>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. > > >>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to > > >>>>> atheism? > > >>>>> -- > > >>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will > > >>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim > > >>>> they were. > > >>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? > > >>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>> Yes. Personal responsibility. I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph > > >>> Stalin. Nor do they represent normal atheists. > > >>> If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by > > >>> religious people, feel free. There's plenty butchers in that camp. > > >> Exactly, I never really understood the smear campaigns. I am only > > >> responsible for my own actions, a responsibility I happily accept. I > > >> cannot be held responsible for atrocities committed before I was born, > > >> no matter how similar the perp's worldview is to mine. > > > >> I've never killed anyone, and I don't intend to.- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > That is very commendable. Pol Pot was just an unassuming person also > > > until he became a Communist dictator. > > > It didn't work with Joseph Stalin, it won't work with Pol Pot. > > > You are religiously insane. I won't compare you to any historical > > figure, as it's pointless and irrelevant. I'll just state the assertion > > and cite this thread as evidence. > > Well, but what are you going to do if you become a dictator? > Robert B. Winn. Call it socialism or communism or any -ism you like. If it means Central Control by well-intentioned twits, it ain't going to work. The best government is the least government, and the least government relies on alert and well-informed communities. The Tabloids are the best possible way to propagate knowledge and understanding! If you agree, Oxbridge is a waste of time and money! God? An escape- hatch! -- 'foolsrushin.'
From: hhyapster on 30 Jul 2008 01:24 On Jul 23, 7:15 am, James Burns <burns...(a)osu.edu> wrote: > pba...(a)worldonline.nl wrote: > > [...] > > > Supposing others are ignorant, is really silly, as > > they are not. There are atheists out there, who know > > the bible better than you or me! > > > So do not try and preach your faith to them, > > try and practise it! > > That they might appreciate. > > I agree. One of my favorite quotes: > "Preach the gospel every day; use words, if necessary." > It's widely attributed to St. Francis of Assisi. > > Jim Burns Like don't expose the nakedness.....? The common sense we modern people need preaching...must be wasted for 2000+ years of human effort?
From: hhyapster on 30 Jul 2008 01:36 On Jul 25, 12:15 am, "pba...(a)worldonline.nl" <pba...(a)worldonline.nl> wrote: > On 22 jul, 05:58, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 7:45 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 21, 11:52 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > >>news:eb8a53af-5a7c-4f8d-b8ce-3b4ee0c36918(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > >>>> The Winn has a mental problem and there is no point to talk reason > > > >>>> with him....we have to wait for the medicine to be invented before a > > > >>>> mental disease get cured. > > > >>> In other words, you do not like to talk about religion, and you want > > > >>> to prevent discussion of religion. > > > >>> Robert B. Winn > > > >> Nonsense. > > > >> We love talking about religion. > > > >> In fact, we're probably experts on the subject. > > > >> Most of us have taken the time to find out as much as possible about it. > > > >> It's part of the reason why we're atheists. > > > > > So you were just pretending to be ignorant about religion? > > > > Sorry, where have we claimed that we were ignorant of religion? > > > > -- > > > Well, it is not what you claim, it is what you are that counts. > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - > > On a forum like this Robert, we know little about what somebody is. > Actually we only know what people say. > We know now, supposing you are not deceitfull, > that you are under the illusion that atheists are ignorant about > religion. > You should know by now that atheists are not. > > Could it be that you are misinterpreting Agnosticism? > Agnostics claim to have no knowledge about God. > With that they do not mean they are ignorant about religion. > Most Agnostics are very well informed about religion. > > However they maintain that it is not possible to proof any religious > claim, > and therefoer real knowledge about dieties is still lacking. > Informing them about what you think is true, won't help. > > They will simply claim that there is no way to verify what you say > objectively. > Sometimes it is possible to falsify religious claims, but if the > theist claims his God has been tempering with the evidence, as to make > it seem that the religious claims are false. There is of course no way > to disproof that. > > Thus Agnostics will politity say, that they do not know (for sure). > Weak Atheist will be so honest to say that they do not really believe > you > and Strong Atheists (like me) will say that based on probability > they have indeed ample reason to believe that there is no God. > > All will say that regardless of wether they have more religious > information than you have or less. > > They know most > They believe almost none. > > Love, > > Peter van Velzen > (Strong) Atheist#1107 > July 2008 > Amstelveen > The Netherlands- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes, but your message will fall on the deaf ear of a deeply disturbed mind who admitted escaping from V.A. Hospital.
From: hhyapster on 30 Jul 2008 01:41
On Jul 30, 12:50 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 22, 7:15 am, Ye Old One <use...(a)mcsuk.net> wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:50:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > enriched this group when s/he wrote: > > > >Well, I am sure you will try to prove me wrong. > > >Robert B. Winn > > > Nobody has ever seen you proven right. > > > Coward! > > > -- > > Bob. > > Well, maybe if they would open their eyes. Just an idea. I am not > saying any atheists actually have to do it. > Robert B. Winn We open our minds wide. But you close your mind so tight (you need it, perhaps). Is this what you called fair? |