Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 06:13 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 22, 5:24�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>> <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well >>>>>>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>>>>>> atheism? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will >>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>>>>>> they were. >>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question >>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. �His values and beliefs were much like yours >>>>>>> are today. >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. �His values and beliefs were much like >>>>>> yours are today. �And you're doing your best to make us all see the >>>>>> point of shooting christians. �You really are. >>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. �Pol Pot was just an >>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist >>>>> dictator. >>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism? >>>> What does atheism have to do with it? >>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator >>> was being an atheist. >> Why? >> > Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. And...? > Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators. Cite? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 06:13 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 22, 5:25�am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 8:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 21, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 6:38 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today. >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to >>>>>>>>>>>> atheism? >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will >>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim >>>>>>>>>>> they were. >>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything? >>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question >>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer: >>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the >>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism? >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> It is relevant to atheism because Stalin was an atheist. >>>>>>>> So, is it also relevant to masculinity? �Stalin was a man, after all... >>>>>>>> � Stalin also had a mustache. �Is that relevant, too? >>>>>>>> Oh, Stalin was also born in December. �Is that relevant? >>>>>>>> Stalin married a wife. �Is that relevant? >>>>>>> Why don't you just decide for yourself what you think is relevant, >>>>>>> Daniel? >>>>>> How about none of it being relevant? >>>>> Well, you get to decide for yourself. �Don't be bashful. >>>> Fine. �He's a man. �You're a man. �I decide that you and Stalin are the >>>> same. >>>> Happy? >>> I am happy. �Josef Stalin was another story. >> Okay, Mr Stalin. �May I call you Stalin from now on? >> >> -- > As far as I am concerned, you can do whatever you decide to do. I do > not pay any attention to what you do. This is obviously wrong since you're paying attention to what I post. :-) -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 06:14 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 22, 7:24�am, Jon Green <jo...(a)deadspam.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> Jon, >>> � � � Let what drop? >> The whole damn thread. >> >>> What is supposed to be so traumatic about this conversation? >> As a European (cam.misc, remember?), I rather resent being told >> (incorrectly) what my values are, and how they're inferior to American >> values, particularly by someone who clearly has little knowledge or >> experience of Europe. >> >> Making blanket assertions about whole races or groups of races is always >> going to walk you firmly into the minefield. >> >>> When I >>> used to talk to drug dealers, they would threaten to kill me about >>> every other day. > Well, there is a basic difference between European and American > philosophy. Europeans believe that people exist to serve the state. And there's that telling (incorrectly) what someone else's values are. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 06:16 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 22, 10:04�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. >>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible? >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some evidence >>>> of >>>> God as well. >>>> -- >>>> Steve O >>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. �If that was not enough for >>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God? >> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all, it's >> just an old, old story. >> >> -- >> Steve O > > Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. No. Hezekiah's tunnel is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. > Three > different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > Hezekiah's tunnel. So? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 30 Jul 2008 06:20
hhyapster(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 23, 9:34 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: <brevity snip> >> Actually, there was. "Sin" was the Judeochristian word for "criminal >> activity". If we do not break the law, we are not 'sinning'. Simple. >> > > Well, we have laws, in criminal codes and with punishment, not > forgiveness. Well, we do have amnesty and pardons. > And we also know common sense and don't do things even distasteful. Well, yes. :-) -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ****************************************************** |