Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8
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From: hei_mue on 21 Sep 2006 08:21 E®!k V!sser schrieb: > I do not want to sound like i had anything to do with this, but you will get > the Vulcan.NET, That was the deal and when do subscribed, nobody told you > would get updates of pre-beta version of Vulcan after ending your > subscription. That deal was (at least could be) clear at that time, so I > really do not see you have a point here. This was the deal http://www.vulcandotnet.com/VulcanPP.htm. As You can see there is VULCAN announced for the End of 2005. This was inside my subscription period! > > Anyway! I'm now happy with C# and VO2.7 for legacy Apps - no need > > anymore for the VULCAN or VO.whatever stuff... > So you do not want it and you do not need it. So what are you moaning about? Thats true. The only thing why I jumped into this discussion is to propagate my oppinion or better my bad experiences. In the past I want to use VULCAN as my future dev Tool in a .NET world - but not for more than 1000 EUR (my VS2005 Professional costs me 399 EUR, including a full license of SQL2005 and BizTalk-Server - all from the VS2005 launch event in Karlsruhe) and with no chance to learn and do VULCAN after my subsriction period. So I must found a alternative way and comes to C# - intermediate I see this as stroke of good fortune. In the meantime we have 5 VS licenses in my corporation - this should have been VULCAN licenses after the offical release - but with that bad customer support from GrafX - no way. By the way - today I read the announcement of VO 2.8 - I cant find any new language feature (or have I tomatoes on may eyes). And that after more than 2 years of 'development' - the most I see are only 'cosmetics' on the IDE, a little bit of bug fixing and integrating things that have the community done years before (like ComboBoxEx etc.). Nothing about methode overloading, Timestamp Datatype, Delgates for Event-Handling, XML-Support, UniCode or any other thing that comes in my mind if I compare VO with C# or other modern languages. But as I wrote 'Who cares ?' - not me. The only thing that I'm really sorry about is the wasting of 1000 EUR... Heiko Mueller
From: E?!k V!sser on 21 Sep 2006 08:41 Heiko, > This was the deal http://www.vulcandotnet.com/VulcanPP.htm. As You can > see there is VULCAN announced for the End of 2005. This was inside my > subscription period! Read it again. It clearly says: <snip> You will receive Vulcan. Net when ready for distribution( End of 2005 ) </snip> Well it is not ready for distribution, is it? >> So you do not want it and you do not need it. So what are you moaning >> about? > Thats true. The only thing why I jumped into this discussion is to > propagate my oppinion or better my bad experiences. OK, i hope you feel relieved now. >. So I must found a alternative way and comes to C# - > intermediate I see this as stroke of good fortune. So infact you are glad Vulcan is not ready yet! Good for you! > In the meantime we have 5 VS licenses in my corporation - this should > have been VULCAN licenses after the offical release - but with that bad > customer support from GrafX - no way. I am sorry you feel this way. I am sure Grafx wants Vulcan.NET on the market more than anyone else as soon as posible. But they also know that they should not hit the market if it is not ready for it. And i think it is silly to expect to continued reveive thnigs after a subscription period. Erik Visser
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 21 Sep 2006 09:20 Yes, But an expectation was raised! Grtz, Marc "E?!k V!sser" <burod000_notthis_(a)planet.nl> schreef in bericht news:4nffn9Fa89v6U1(a)individual.net... > > Heiko, > >> This was the deal http://www.vulcandotnet.com/VulcanPP.htm. As You can >> see there is VULCAN announced for the End of 2005. This was inside my >> subscription period! > > Read it again. It clearly says: > <snip> > You will receive Vulcan. Net when ready for distribution( End of 2005 ) > </snip> > Well it is not ready for distribution, is it? > > >>> So you do not want it and you do not need it. So what are you moaning >>> about? >> Thats true. The only thing why I jumped into this discussion is to >> propagate my oppinion or better my bad experiences. > > OK, i hope you feel relieved now. > >>. So I must found a alternative way and comes to C# - >> intermediate I see this as stroke of good fortune. > > So infact you are glad Vulcan is not ready yet! Good for you! > > >> In the meantime we have 5 VS licenses in my corporation - this should >> have been VULCAN licenses after the offical release - but with that bad >> customer support from GrafX - no way. > > I am sorry you feel this way. I am sure Grafx wants Vulcan.NET on the > market more than anyone else as soon as posible. But they also know that > they should not hit the market if it is not ready for it. And i think it > is silly to expect to continued reveive thnigs after a subscription > period. > > Erik Visser > > >
From: Patrick Vletter (Prive) on 21 Sep 2006 13:43 Geoff, > Let's take your boss Patrick - he and I have both had very direct > discussions in this forum in the past but I doubt he takes any direct > offence from me. Let me answer this one myself: I'm or have not been personally offended by you or any of your statements in any way. But the reason I do not discuss anything with you anymore is the exact same reason that Otto states here. You are just constantly changing around everything (your own opinion, other people's statements, etc.) in such a (often condoscending) way that a normal and usefull discussion becomes impossible. You say you respect other's people's foreign language problems, but you are constantly playing tricks with them by not reacting to the central issue of the discussion but taking their arguments totally out of context and in a total different direction. Hence, the usefull part of the discussion ends... It's a shame that you feel the need to do this because: a) we indeed met personal on a few occasions and I sincerly think you are a nice bloke (isn't that the Aussie word for it) when one meets you personal, b) you have invested quiet some time in this NG, VO and the VO community and, even though you had sometimes 'strange' (in the good meaning of the word) opinions in the past, used to be a respected member of this NG. I do not mind that you have an different opinion than me or others, discussion about that is OK. But if you would have expressed yourself in a more correct way (and yes, I know I haven't always reacted in the politest possible way, no need to do a Google on that one...) on numerous occasions over the last year, would not (ab)use every opportunity to expose your personal problems with Grafx, would not assume that you are the spokesman of the masses, etc. at least some people on this NG would still take you as seriously as they did 24 months ago... FWIW, Patrick
From: Geoff Schaller on 21 Sep 2006 17:54
That's how wars start <g>. ....or witness the Pope and his recent oops... "Marc Verkade [Marti IT]" <marcatM(a)rtidotnl> wrote in message news:45126481$0$16954$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl: > Or not look behind the words and take them as they are.. <g> > Grtz, Marc > > "Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht > news:4512549d$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... |