Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8
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From: Sherlock on 20 Sep 2006 19:17 Geoff snip[ I seriously haven't got the time to respond to all this ] You just did ... ! Geez ... == snip[ My attitude toward VO have not changed since Day 1. My attitude toward the VOPS did change because Brian did not deliver on his promises and refused to accept criticism. ] The group gets even time for each paying subscription member. You used up your annual quota in the 1st week and then became argumentative and knew more than everybody else and wanted to tell them how to do their job. They musted have wasted 3 hours a week just correcting your misinformation. == snip[ And VO 2.8? There is nothing important that is new that I need, nothing new in the GUI classes (that I would have preferred) and none of the promised XML support so we will wait patiently to see if there is sufficient positive response before upgrading. VO 2756 does enough for me now and we cope quite well. ] Personally all I ever wanted was new version which did what is does now but faster and cleaner if possible and with updated documentation. I understand it has been a nightmare to clean up and rebuild / rewrite a system which started in 1991 and had been added to adhoc for years and years. The new broom sweeps clean and with a clean slate they can build on a known solid base. The most important thing is 2 development teams needed to comunicate a strategy to take VO to .NET via VULCAN Just stop complaining.. Phil McGuinness -------
From: hei_mue on 21 Sep 2006 02:33 Hi Jürgen, Jürgen Knauf schrieb: > I'm also a member of VOPS, but they told me, when I leave VOPS and the > release of Vulcan or VO 2.8 is not ready, I have the right to get it > without paying, when it is ready. Thats true, but in the meantime - the time between the end of your description and the release date you wan't get anything - nor new betas or access to the newsgroups - its the same as you never have paid the bucks... Heiko Mueller
From: E?!k V!sser on 21 Sep 2006 03:05 Heiko, > Thats true, but in the meantime - the time between the end of your > description and the release date you wan't get anything - nor new > betas or access to the newsgroups - its the same as you never have paid > the bucks... What is strange about that? You have taken a subscription to a support program. During the program you got want you subcribed and now you want the same as the people who extended their subscription? Is this how it goes in Germany when i take a subscription on for example Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung? Do i still receive items after my subscription ends? regards, Erik "hei_mue" <h.mueller(a)wincontent.de> schreef in bericht news:1158820407.003602.55120(a)k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Hi J?rgen, J?rgen Knauf schrieb: > I'm also a member of VOPS, but they told me, when I leave VOPS and the > release of Vulcan or VO 2.8 is not ready, I have the right to get it > without paying, when it is ready. Thats true, but in the meantime - the time between the end of your description and the release date you wan't get anything - nor new betas or access to the newsgroups - its the same as you never have paid the bucks... Heiko Mueller
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 21 Sep 2006 03:55 Clever! "Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht news:4511c6cc(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > Marc, > > No it doesn't. As you are aware, Australia is a big place and many of our > customers are over 1000km away, some up to 4000km so to telephone us would > cost them a lot. The phone companies here provide a service that for about > $60 per month (we pay), allows our clients to call us for the price of a > local for 15 minutes. After that, we pay the additional call costs at the > normal rate. > > Most calls can be attended to within 15 mins - most are about 5 mins so it > is quite cost effective for everyone. There are of course all sorts of > variations on this service but it allows us to advertise free telephone > support and this is very attractive to our clients. > > Geoff > > > "Marc Verkade [Marti IT]" <marcatM(a)rtidotnl> wrote in message > news:4511c379$0$69173$58c7af7e(a)news.kabelfoon.nl: > >> Thanx for sharing this. >> Free support and long distance line? Doesn't that cost you lots of money. >> Does support mean new features and bugfixes as well? (NOT cynical, just >> curious!) >> Grtz, Marc >> >> "Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht >> news:4511c2a4$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... >> >> > Marc, >> > >> > We sell one product by annual subscription so support is a built in >> > part >> > of the program. Our other clients pay for maintenance and updates as >> > they >> > request them. Our box products come with free support and a free long >> > distance telephone support line so we embrace all three maintenance >> > models. >> > >> > Geoff >> > >> > >> >> >> Are you supliing free support to your customers too? >> >> We as relative small companies can't afford to giev free support >> >> because >> >> then we would not be able to sell, fix and improve our software. >> >> >> >> I agree that Grafx if vague about giving info and I am with you on >> >> that >> >> side! >> >> >> >> Grtz, Marc >> >> > >
From: hei_mue on 21 Sep 2006 04:38
E®!k V!sser schrieb: > What is strange about that? You have taken a subscription to a support > program. During the program you got want you subcribed and now you want the > same as the people who extended their subscription? > Is this how it goes in Germany when i take a subscription on for example > Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung? Do i still receive items after my > subscription ends? As we say in Germany 'Apples and Pears'. With VO I have also payed for VULCAN (full license) and I cant see why I cant get all new builds until the release date. As I wrote in a previous message I dont expecting a real support from GrafX after the paying period but what is wrong with a access to the newest builds and access to the VOPS-Newsgroups (for all I care only for reading) ? Anyway! I'm now happy with C# and VO2.7 for legacy Apps - no need anymore for the VULCAN or VO.whatever stuff... Heiko Mueller |