Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8
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From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 20 Sep 2006 11:46 Hai, Am I a VO evangelist? I use VO and am happy to earn money with it. I try to help people here whenever i can. I provide and maintain a little wbsite with VO samples. Seeing my name here often does not make me an evangelist. I am just stating what VO brings for me. We have shifted to C# for new development too (a.o. www.cash-it.nl). We currently are examining the possibility's to migrate our current big VO apps into the future and Vulcan is an option as is C#, but i must say that I too are very worried about the progress Grafx makes with Vulcan. I stated several times (here and in VOPS) that I am not happy the way Grafx communicates with people and targeting their deadlines. I too have no message at all when hearing 'it is finished when it is finished'. My customers don't buy that when I will tell that to them. But for now, we are not eager to migrate out main apps right now simply because i do not have the money to spend several man-years for that new .Net development. But the fact remains: I love to program in VO and are very happy with VO. I like the VOPS because I saves me money. I own m house because of VO. 12 people can pay their mortgage because of VO. Does that makes me an evangelist? Grtz, Marc Grtz, Marc "rob" <rob_panosh(a)asdsoftware.com> schreef in bericht news:1158701105.404099.204160(a)i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Marc, > > I don't candy coat anything. I have had so much frustration with VO > and it drives me nuts when other VO evangelist (such as yourself) out > here try to make excuse for Graphx short falls. > > Answer one simple question for me. What has Graphx provided for all > non VOPS members in the past year? > > Cheers, > Rob > > P.S. - My finger still hurts from "Flicking" VO to the side for NEW > development. LOL! >
From: Karl Faller on 20 Sep 2006 11:44 Geoff, >Really? Are you offering? No i don't. If you would have read what i wrote, you could have realised that i have doubts converting code from any .net lang to another being so "simple" as Heiko told. Karl
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 20 Sep 2006 12:04 Hai Carlos, You can distil it from the threads, but I will some them up... - There is a new VO2.8 coming up - After the public 2740 update there are about 20 public VOPS builds, currently at version 2770. These builds contain amongst others: - New features - New editor - Better VSS support - Bugfixes - IDE improvements - Compiler improvents Vo is doing what it did before but it is more productive for us now and also more stable. I know that 2.8 will be too because lot's of it is already tested by the (sometimes very precise) VOPS subscribers. I do know nothing about Vulcan. Grtz, Marc "Carlos Rocha" <carlos.delete.this(a)net-disk.com> schreef in bericht news:1158708454.671907.268420(a)e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > Looks clear to me. I would like to "hear" something from inside tho. > Can someone post something about the actual state? What can we expect? >
From: Marc Verkade [Marti IT] on 20 Sep 2006 12:07 Hai Geoff, Are you supliing free support to your customers too? We as relative small companies can't afford to giev free support because then we would not be able to sell, fix and improve our software. I agree that Grafx if vague about giving info and I am with you on that side! Grtz, Marc "Geoff Schaller" <geoff(a)xxxsoftwareobjectives.com.au> schreef in bericht news:4510bc99$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... > What is curious is that without paying one extra cent to Microsoft, we > report bugs in MS Office 2007 and get direct feedback on what they are, > their status and when they will be addressed. Not only that, in serious > ones, we actually get contacted by Microsoft and sometimes are given a new > dll to try out. More curious still, I can look up the reported bug list > and the fix list to see if they know about my problem or have fixed it. > This works! ...and it is the free beta program, even though there are > formal support programs and formal beta programs. What is impressive is > that we don't count ourselves as a large company yet we get this kind of > direct support from a multi-national. > > Focus back on VO where the user community is quite finite and tiny, the > VOPS community tinier and an even tinier number of product developers (I'm > being kind). One would have thought it rather easy to provide this kind of > beta and support plan and still leave room for a premium access plan. It > wouldn't be dealing with millions of users like MS but when you only have > a dozen or so dedicated testers for your beta products you run the risk of > seriously under-testing the new product. It is one of the reasons why > every substantial new VO build is followed up by a flurry fix patches. > Just count the number of times Brian re-releases the installers <bg>. > > What is not curious is that companies like Microsoft are actually proud to > announce their innovations and relentlessly advertise their future feature > sets, actively seeking end user input and feedback. It is curious how > GrafX feels the need to reverse this proven approach to do just the > opposite... > > > > > "mullet" <mullet(a)yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:Jn1Qg.569960$IK3.333874(a)pd7tw1no: > >> No. sorry. That is against the dotrines of the "exclusive little club >> thingy". The leaders of the "exclusive little club thingy" would have to >> punish anyone who published the hidden knowledge of the "exclusive little >> club thingy". What's the point of paying to be a member of the "exclusive >> little club thingy" if everyone knows whats happenning in the "exclusive >> little club thingy" even if they haven't paid to be in the "exclusive >> little >> club thingy" ? >> >> "Carlos Rocha" <carlos.delete.this(a)net-disk.com> wrote in message >> news:1158708454.671907.268420(a)e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> >> > Looks clear to me. I would like to "hear" something from inside tho. >> > Can someone post something about the actual state? What can we expect? >> > >
From: Robert van der Hulst on 20 Sep 2006 16:51
Hi Mullet, On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, at 20:20:06 [GMT GMT] (which was 22:20 where I live) you wrote about: 'Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8' > This is why it is a flawed business model. Grafx punishes their own users > for not joining their "exclusive little club thingy". VOPS is not exclusive. Everybody can subscribe. Only one company has been excluded for reasons that have been explained on this newsgroup. > NON-VOPS users don't get any bug fixes period. They spend money for > flawed software and have to spend more for the fixes. Any software I buy has > at least 1 year of bug fixes. I wouldn't buy it if I didn't. Grafx doesn't > even have a web site explaining what is coming in the next release. I am sorry, but this is nonsense: - VO 2.7 was released in 2004 - There have been FREE bug fixes in 2004 and 2005. - The latest public build was from februari 2005 (2.7b build 2740) and is not flawed. - A new release has just been announced: see the 'Official VO 2.8 Announcement thread in this newsgroup that also has link to a page with a summary of the changes in this new build. -- Robert van der Hulst VO Development Team |