Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8
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From: Sherlock on 13 Sep 2006 19:08 snip[ > Its hard cold reality Markus. The smart VOers left a long time ago. ] The hard cold reality is the WIN32API programming is here for a long, long time. What you have invested in VO is not wasted and with a new 2.8 with a development team committed to it and have put years and years into making it a top line product with a .NET future was well. C# or .NET or the other multitude of environments like Eclipse or Java or PHP or whatever depends on the developer more than the client. They use a product in a browser or on a desktop and you choose your poision how to go about it. Look at our shop with 1 full time C# another almost fulltime PHP and me fulltime on VO and lately I have hired Gary Stark using Crossfire... which C# which crosscompiles to CE/PALM/BLACKBERRY and NOKIA. "Nokia" which is Symbian has sold 14 million units and as these screens and features keep improving on Phones the Smartphone market is the biggest growth market. Essentially Windows has the Desktop market, Linux and Windows have the server market, Handhelds as above and it just keeps going. Pick the development environment language that does the job and VO does an absolutely fantastic job and it will for years and years. Re .NET which has been through 1 and 2 and soon to be 3 will in time... a longtime be "the desktop" development environment. But it still has another 3 to 6 years to go yet. Phil McGuinness
From: Geoff Schaller on 13 Sep 2006 19:12 Come on Phil. You found it too hard to attend even the Australian ones. If you are right and they are merely junkets, is that how you explain the continuing falling attendances? "Sherlock" <sherlock(a)sherlock.com.au> wrote in message news:1158188351.725645.296260(a)i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > Graham > > snip[ Drop everything, take a week off, spend $1,000's and fly to the > other side > > > of the world, for Robert's "VO show and tell". ] > > > Whats different ... you did for years before and you did not complain > then. > Conferences have always been a meeting point and training and flying > the flag. > Yep they cost money.. but it is junket holiday and drink fest. > > Phil McGuinness > ------
From: Graham McKechnie on 13 Sep 2006 20:07 Phil, > Whats different ... you did for years before and you did not complain > then. No I wasn't complaining. I was either paid to attend or was a guest at those conferences. My point to Erik was why go to all the trouble - when whatever Robert has to say or show could be posted on a web site. Graham "Sherlock" <sherlock(a)sherlock.com.au> wrote in message news:1158188351.725645.296260(a)i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Graham > > snip[ Drop everything, take a week off, spend $1,000's and fly to the > other side >> of the world, for Robert's "VO show and tell". ] > > Whats different ... you did for years before and you did not complain > then. > Conferences have always been a meeting point and training and flying > the flag. > Yep they cost money.. but it is junket holiday and drink fest. > > Phil McGuinness > ------ >
From: Geoff Schaller on 13 Sep 2006 21:40 Phil. I am a bit confused by what you're trying to say here but I must pick you up on one thing. > What you have invested in VO is not wasted and with a new 2.8 with a > development team committed to it and have put years and years into > making it a top line product with a .NET future was well. This 'development team' you talk of is 1.5 people and one of those people tends to unavailable for huge swathes of time each year. Hardly years and years of development and very little to show for the time spent. This is just the VO32 side of things - a very poor show indeed. And on the Dot Net side, not much more. Again 1.5 people building a compiler and its support resources. C# on the other hand has how big a team devoted to it? The comparison is not a clever one to draw. Geoff
From: Sherlock on 13 Sep 2006 22:58
snip[ C# on the other hand has how big a team devoted to it? The comparison is not a clever one to draw. ] They have to just to keep it together and keeping moving forward to where ever they can drag the faithful. It is what it is but it is not for everybody and ever purpose. snip[ This 'development team' you talk of is 1.5 people and one of those people tends to unavailable for huge swathes of time each year. ] Hopefully they are working on the code and not reading your 30 email a day rants. With my own code I have 1.5 people working on it too... and what clients like is it looks constant and not design by 20 people all with their own agenda. snip[ This is just the VO32 side of things - a very poor show indeed ] Slow for sure but as 80% of the VO community moan and complain and do not put their hand in their pocket.. what do you expect ! Phil McGuinness ----- |