Vulcan .Net and VO 2.8
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From: Geoff Schaller on 13 Sep 2006 23:11 > They have to just to keep it together and keeping moving forward to > where ever they can drag the faithful. No. It's been a disaster and a waste of money. > Hopefully they are working on the code and not reading your 30 email a > day rants. 30? In this thread? And the other participants? > With my own code I have 1.5 people working on it too... and what > clients like is it looks constant and not design by 20 people all with > their own agenda. Hmmm... so you think VO is bested supported by 1.5 people? Interesting. And you think the majority of the C# or IBM's Java teams are a waste of time? Interesting. > Slow for sure but as 80% of the VO community moan and complain and do > not put their hand in their pocket.. what do you expect ! A lot more, Phil. A lot more. It isn't up to the VO community to put their hands into their pockets just to line Brian's. VOPS has been a failure, generally speaking, from the average user's perspective and a nice little earner for Brian et al. There are other more effective ways to raise money for patches and fixes (you know them - you suggested some). Geoff
From: Rene J. Pajaron on 13 Sep 2006 23:43 Carlos, We worry too much. I think 2.8 is what u mean . I understand, u dont like VOPS. I do like it and copied it as model for my accounting system. But I didnt subsribe to it, because I dont see any need for now. > I care > about bug correction and support after buying it, and this is not > happening It is not yet happening because it is not yet released. Let us just wait for it. What I know is that, current 2.7 dont have show stopper bugs for me. >I want to know about current status and schedule without > going to somewhere to hear somebody. http://www.vodc.visualobjects.de/en/ - you will get some snippets about 2.8. >but this NG is shrinking every > passing day, and that's bad for VO and Vulcan future. > What matters is our pocket. Is it shrinking? Client base? I dont care what tools will come next five years. I can pick any tools and work with it. Vulcan or no Vulcan, I dont care. i care only for my client. however, I see C# as a threat to VO/Vulcan longevity, but I wait and see Vulcan can cut it... and cut it cleanly; and I move from there. Rene Ayon kay Carlos Rocha: > Rene, > > I was not talking about 2.8 price. I don't care about that. I care > about bug correction and support after buying it, and this is not > happening. I want to know about current status and schedule without > going to somewhere to hear somebody. > I hope I'm wrong because I like VO, but this NG is shrinking every > passing day, and that's bad for VO and Vulcan future. > > Cheers, > Carlos
From: Rene J. Pajaron on 13 Sep 2006 23:47 Richard, I am not planning to retire as yet. I am still 36, and a very young family to support. On the bright side, I see an oppurtunity to try new things, new crowds, etc... MS, Grafx, or whatever my primary tools came from: bottom line is happy client. Nevertheless, I am happy to retire with VO or Vulcan or whatever name it will be. and write a book, teach perhaps, .... or whatever Rene Ayon kay richard.townsendrose(a)googlemail.com: > Hi all > > Well I guess that VO2.8 is approaching the "pretty well fixed > everything" time like dbaseIII+Ver 1.1 and Clipper 5.0a did in their > time. > > Then it becomes just a tool with another 10 years of life to go. May be > I will retire when it does ! > > It does all I need - and more. > > But I await it, and look forward to it. > > Regards > > Richard
From: Rene J. Pajaron on 13 Sep 2006 23:58 Mullet, > The smart VOers left a long time ago. So, one that left is either non-smart or some smarts. Me, and others, stays with VO because we believe it worth it. I hope, I am smart as you. Anyway, I dont see any relevance to tools as to smartness of an individual programmers. Anyway, this is not about right or wrong. But about respect to anyone's opinion. When VO2.8/Vulcan wont cut cleanly, I will be smart soon.... Rene Ayon kay Mullet: > >Such childlike statements are inappropriate and rude. > >Even if your statement is correct, in your place I would not make fun of > >others > > Whats child like about my statements? Who's making fun? > > Its hard cold reality Markus. The smart VOers left a long time ago. > > > "Markus Feser" <markus.feserRemove(a)imsgear.com> wrote in message > news:4mqn9sF7gcbkU1(a)individual.net... > >> "he left VO years ago" > >> > >> A good indication that he has a very healthy mind. > >> > >> Get a reality check. There is no future in VO and Vulcan. Run don't walk > >> away from it. > > > > * last comment * > > > > Hi, > > > > not all guys of this NG are hobbyists, > > they have hundredthousands lines of sourcecode in Visual Objects > > (lots of man-years work) > > > > Such childlike statements are inappropriate and rude. > > Even if your statement is correct, in your place I would not make fun of > > others > > > > but - your statement is much wrong > > with Vulcan we belonging together to all .NET languages side by side, > > possibly mixed. > > > > at this point I drop out of thist thread > > > > Regards, > > Markus Feser > >
From: Rene J. Pajaron on 14 Sep 2006 00:08
Geoff, You know already my sentiments. I will wait for feedback if Vulcan cut it cleanly, but 2.8 is a must update for me. Nor line by line porting to C# is ever easier. Only smart people want an easy way out. I want to be called "smart VOer". Rene Ayon kay Geoff Schaller: > Rene, > > > Soon, I port my VO to .Net (be it in Vulcan or C#); who cares, I have > > unhealthy mind. > > Do you really believe that? That your 600,000 lines of code will be that > easy to port to anything... let alone Vulcan? I think you had better > wait and see how the porting process works before you make your > investment. It just isn't going to be that easy. > > Geoff |