Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 15:57 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 3:56�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:02:36 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >> <c3447487-ef74-4a5a-9197-58ff3792a...(a)f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 4:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:29:33 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>> On Jun 29, 8:44?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:26:23 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 12:13?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not believe in faith, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in case you need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, I just don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* know how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They have made a >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >>>>>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that you have fallen >>>>>>>>>>>> into. >>>>>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. ?If there is no >>>>>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >>>>>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would you think that >>>>>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? >>>>>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> Sure. ?A while back you were saying that there was nothing wrong with >>>>>>>>> killing children before they are born. ?So are you saying that killing >>>>>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? >>>>>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another lie? Abortion >>>>>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be banned. They're >>>>>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> Not children yet? ?What do you think they are? >>>>>> Embryos and fetuses.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> So you are saying that people who call them unborn children are lying? >>>> It depends on why they are calling them that. If it is the prospective >>>> parents, it is wonderful, it shows their great love for their >>>> baby-to-be. If it is a religious zealot trying to destroy the rights of >>>> Americans, then they are telling lies at the legal level because they >>>> just cannot stop trying to tell other people what to do. Funny how many >>>> of these people follow a despot who is not married and does not allow a >>>> single one of his priests to marry. The Pope knows nothing about babies >>>> and mocks God with his foolish teachings. You, on the other hand, keep >>>> yourself from learning and repeat lies the way it rains in the Amazon.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, I would suspect that one of the religious zealots you are >>> talking about would be Luke. � Luke wrote in his gospel, Luke 2:5 �To >>> be taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child. >>> No wonder you think the writers of the Bible were religious zealots. >>> To those of us who believe that children exist before they are born, >>> Luke seems to have the right idea, unlike atheists of today. � In >>> fact, if the Bible is true, which it is, atheists of today are lying >>> about not being able to tell that an unborn human being is a child. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Once again you show that you are nothing but a mendacious fool, >> misrepresenting what I wrote.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, there is no way to misinterpret what you said. You claim that > you cannot tell it is wrong to kill an unborn child. You don't even know that it's silly to believe in fairy stories. <shrug>
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 15:58 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 30, 11:59 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:2cd82a5a-f445-4105-b500-b805f0662927(a)s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >> >>> On Jun 30, 3:09�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:61174020-7051-443b-87a2- >>>>> I have never seen an atheist who opposes abortion. �I believe that pro- >>>>> life atheists are mythological. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> You've never seen one, but you have communicated with one. >>>> I am an atheist who is opposed to abortion. >>>> We are no longer mythological. >>>> How do you reconcile that with your twisted worldview? >>> Well, to be honest, Steve, I do not believe you. >>> Robert B. Winn >> My statement is supportable. >> All you have to do is Google previous posts on abortion to see where I stand >> on the subject. >> You can continue with your inaccurate belief if you wish to, but all it >> serves to do is highlight your wilful ignorance and inability to establish >> facts. >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. >> Convicted by Earthquack, >> Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence >> "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the >> face, you can see a burnt tortilla" > > Well, I don't think we need to do that. Let's just examine the matter > a little. What do you think about this scripture? Luke 2:5 To be > taxed with Mary his espoused wife being great with child. Do you admit your lie about Steve O? Can you be honest about that?
From: Steve O on 1 Jul 2008 16:01 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:01ea760f-8b14-4e91-ade1-c1182cfe9829(a)k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 1, 12:47 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 30, 12:33 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 29, 1:14 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> On Jun 29, 12:22 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and try ?to impose >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you want to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> formulate >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> policy. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they would be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about animals >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >> >>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >> >>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of >> >>>>>>>>>> the fact >> >>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >> >>>>>>>> So? >> >>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted >> >>>>>>>> text - >> >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. I think it is a fable, just >> >>>>>>> as >> >>>>>>> Paul said it was. >> >>>>>> Classic, got a scripture for that?- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>>> Yes, we are still on the scripture in Isaiah that says that a >> >>>>> tunnel >> >>>>> was dug as a conduit for water between Gihon spring and the pool of >> >>>>> Siloam. >> >>>> Liar. Where did Paul tell you that evolution is a fable? Back up >> >>>> something. Just one thing...- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound >> >>> doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves >> >>> teachers, having itching ears; >> >>> 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be >> >>> turned unto fables. >> >> Well, you tried. >> >> >> Where does he mention evolution? You claimed that Paul said evolution >> >> was just a fable. That's an explicit claim, can you back it up? >> >> >> Maybe the fable he's talking about above is Christianity.- Hide quoted >> >> text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> > No a fable is a story where an animal is used with human >> > characteristics, such as monkeys turning into humans. >> >> So no scriptural mention of evolution then. At all. >> >> You mean the fable with the talking snake, demon-posessed pigs, unicorn, >> cud chewing rabbits, etc? Your own logic, once again, has demolished >> your point. Don't you see it coming?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > You may doubt some of these things, but if you will read the account > of Balaam and his donkey, I am sure you will be more inclined to > believe. > Robert B. Winn A talking donkey? You're kidding, right? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 1 Jul 2008 16:03 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:3770038e-e7b0-4e64-9dd5-d442a816638a(a)m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> > Well, there is your mistake, Steve. I am not arguing with anyone. >> > You atheists are free to believe whatever you want to believe. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Don't be so dumb. >> Your argument is that there is a God. >> > I never argue, Steve. If you want to be an atheist, that is your > privilege. I was just curious about what you were going to do after > you die. > Robert B. Winn > Well, I was planning on decomposing, just like everyone else. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla"
From: Steve O on 1 Jul 2008 16:04
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message news:13339a2a-8599-41b2-ac22-cb13fde245ce(a)l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 1, 3:58 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:12bd9c5a-fc7c-437c-862b-33e48b270a59(a)m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 6:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:6b4ffde3-6dd2-42e1-ae8b-31dca39a4aee(a)f24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On Jun 30, 1:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Jun 29, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jun 29, 10:57�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >>>>news:1c31d316-2b91-43f6-b6c0-3fb4dbf97774(a)z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>>> On Jun 29, 12:13 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2:15 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:04?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:21?am, BuddyThunder >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ... >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, you were trying to hedge your bets. ?You do not >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> faith, >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but you are "on the edge of faith", so that counts in >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> case >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have faith. ?I know how atheists think. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Why would I need to hedge my bets? I believe in faith, >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> don't >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> think it's rational. And believe me, you really *don't* >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> know >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> how >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> atheists think.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I know far better than atheists how they think. ?They >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> have >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> made a >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrong choice, so their options are limited. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Your lies are indefensible. You celebrate the evil that >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> you >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> have >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> fallen >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> into. >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I thought you atheists did not believe evil exists. If >> >> >> >>>>>>>> there >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is >> >> >> >>>>>>>> no >> >> >> >>>>>>>> devil, everything is good, isn't it? >> >> >> >>>>>>> Evil sounds like a religious concept to me, but why would >> >> >> >>>>>>> you >> >> >> >>>>>>> think >> >> >> >>>>>>> that >> >> >> >>>>>>> we can't differentiate right from wrong. Another strawman? >> >> >> >>>>>>> We seem to be able to discuss without lying, can you?- Hide >> >> >> >>>>>>> quoted >> >> >> >>>>>>> text - >> >> >> >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>>> Sure. A while back you were saying that there was nothing >> >> >> >>>>>> wrong >> >> >> >>>>>> with >> >> >> >>>>>> killing children before they are born. So are you saying >> >> >> >>>>>> that >> >> >> >>>>>> killing >> >> >> >>>>>> children before they are born is a good thing? >> >> >> >>>>> Where did I say that? Can you show me, or is that another >> >> >> >>>>> lie? >> >> >> >>>>> Abortion >> >> >> >>>>> is deeply unpleasant, however I don't think it should be >> >> >> >>>>> banned. >> >> >> >>>>> They're >> >> >> >>>>> not children yet, by the way.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>>> Not children yet? �What do you think they are? >> >> >> >>>> =============== >> >> >> >>>> Technically speaking, they are parasites living off a grown >> >> >> >>>> female.- >> >> >> >>>> Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >>> Well, thank you for your answer, Alex. So human beings are >> >> >> >>> nothing >> >> >> >>> except parasites in atheist theology. >> >> >> >> Read it again, this time trying to understand as you go.- Hide >> >> >> >> quoted >> >> >> >> text - >> >> >> >> > I understood it exactly the first time I read it. >> >> >> >> Then why the misrepresentation of what was said? No implication was >> >> >> made >> >> >> that "human beings are nothing except parasites". You >> >> >> misunderstood, >> >> >> or >> >> >> lied. Which was it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > This guy says that a baby in its mother's womb is nothing but a >> >> > parasite on the mother, and you say, No implication was made that >> >> > "human beings are nothing except parasites". I believe that if >> >> > something is a parasite when it is in its mother's womb, then it is >> >> > a >> >> > parasite after it leaves its mother's womb. A parasite is never >> >> > anything except a parasite. >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> Please try an educate yourself and read up a little on the parasitical >> >> nature of the cytoblast before you really make a fool of yourself. >> >> Again. >> >> > Why would I want to read what some atheist says about a cytoblast? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> What makes you think that only atheists have studied fetal development or >> agree with the parasitical nature of the cytoblast? >> Could it perhaps be your ignorance on the subject? >> >> -- >> Steve O >> a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) >> B.A.A.W.A. > > The cytoblast is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. That means > it is not a parasite. > Robert B. Winn Parasites do exactly what they are supposed to do, and you think that means trhat they are not parasites? What a strange fellow you are. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence "I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the face, you can see a burnt tortilla" |