Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 16:04 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11- >>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the >>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the >>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that >>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom >>>> Bombadil? >>>> -- >>>> Enkidu AA#2165 � >>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister, >>>> ULC, Modesto, CA >>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public >>>> schools, or health insurance for all? >>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut >>> Why don't you decide for yourself? You were the one who thought of >>> it. >> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can >> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > It does not matter to me what you trust. You decide what you are > going to trust. If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful claims, then I guess we're done.
From: raven1 on 1 Jul 2008 16:07 On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism: >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam. >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United >> >> >States. >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us. >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare >> >assistance. >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please. > >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury, >right? Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus claim on your part. > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? Or >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government". I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just confirms my assessment.
From: Daniel Mandic on 1 Jul 2008 16:08 rbwinn wrote: > I did not say anything except that you are free to follow the big > green cactus monster if that is what you want to do. You did not say > you wanted evidence of anything. I could send you a Bible if you > would like one. > Robert B. Winn I respect your postings but you shouldn't flame and insult... why!? ;-) Bible is nice (I LIKE TIS DUAL STUFF IN THE BIBLE)... okok, I'll come down ;-)))) No, just stay a bit science and physic and you should not have troubles here. Bible in honour... (indeed! I like the Old Testament! by the way.) Kind regards, Daniel Mandic P.S.: Go a little bit OUT, and watch the Nature, and how it tries to tell (taught) you.... look and see... maybe you can make sense of.... :)
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 16:13 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:32�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> Free Lunch wrote: >>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism >>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in >>> <b804ab27-a92f-4ef2-a69c-54dd80028...(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>: >>>> On Jun 30, 12:25?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>> Free Lunch wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. ?You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >>>>>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >>>>>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >>>>> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim >>>> he was not talking about evolution. >>> You know you lied to us, but you are trying to run away from your >>> behavior when you were caught. >> It is not weakness to admit a mistake, Robert. We won't tell the other >> atheists.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I am sure you will not. What would their reaction be to > discover that the apostle Paul had identified the theory of evolution > as a fable? They would accuse you of lying too. It's the only sensible reaction to your lies.
From: BuddyThunder on 1 Jul 2008 16:13
rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:32 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 12:25�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> Free Lunch wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>> On Jun 28, 6:06?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:50?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 7:17?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:05:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 6:42?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jack wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am upset by *people* who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe that the Bible is anything more than mythology and try ?to impose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs on me ?using the Bible as evidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can someone impose a belief on you? ?Just believe whatever you want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The wrong part is when people attempt to use the myth to formulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public policy or indoctrinate children or inform foreign policy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually they use fables. ?The apostles Paul said they would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> turned to fables in the last days. ?A fable is a story about animals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the story about monkeys turning into humans. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you're ignorant about evolution. Colour me surprised. >>>>>>>>>>>> In what way am I ignorant about evolution? >>>>>>>>>>> Monkeys and humans do share a common ancestor. Your denial of the fact >>>>>>>>>>> does not change that fact.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> Charles Darwin was not my ancestor. >>>>>>>>> So? >>>>>>>>> Evolution happens. Learn to deal with reality.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> I never have believed in evolution. ?I think it is a fable, just as >>>>>>>> Paul said it was. >>>>>>> Paul knew nothing about it. You mock the Bible with such silly >>>>>>> interpretations of it.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> I just believe what Paul said. �You seem a little upset that I do not >>>>>> believe your fable. >>>>> Your problem is that you _lied_ about what Paul said. He _never_ said >>>>> that evolution was a fable. That was the lie you told, one you cannot >>>>> back up with _anything_ in the Bible, not from Paul, not from anywhere. >>>> It's gotta be tough to keep 'em all in a row this far down the road!- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, if Paul had named Charles Darwin by name, atheists would claim >>> he was not talking about evolution. >> So he wasn't explicitly talking about evolution? That was a lie, wasn't it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > No, Paul was talking about evolution. That is where animals turn into > humans. See a fable is a story about an animal with human > characteristics. You've got no idea! It must be fun in your head, until the voices turn mean! |