Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 05:54 Free Lunch wrote: > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote > in alt.atheism: > >> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > ... > >>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >>> worth considering. >> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. If you think He is >> not, go ahead and try to prove it. >> Robert B. Winn > > Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. That's too harsh a test. Ples supply any experimental method that might be able to *disprove* Gods existence. At least with potentially falsifiable hypothesis, we are onto experimental ground, rather than vague hand waving and assertions, that have no actual content or meaning. A basic definition of what GOD IS would be a start..
From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 05:57 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 3, 4:15�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> >>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> ... >> >>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an >>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not >>>> worth considering. >>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. �If you think He is >>> not, �go ahead and try to prove it. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. > > Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get > over the city wall at Lachish. So? I have built several earthen ramps. Am I then God? > Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp. well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps, having built many, and I am an atheist. And secondly what has the fact that person B may or may not believe statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z? > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 06:03 Alex W. wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message > news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> >> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >> >> =========== >> >> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. However, atheists claim > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. > Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. > ========== > > Sin is a social construct. It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped > ... or not, as the case may be. > >
From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 06:06 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 3, 5:32�pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>> =========== >>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. �However, atheists claim >> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >> >> ========== >> >> Sin is a social construct. �It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped >> ... or not, as the case may be. > > Well, there is no sin in heaven. Maybe that is why atheists do not > want to go there. It's more true to say that by removing what you loosely term sin, you arrive at a place you loosely call heaven. However it is only one point on a certain map: there are many other places to visit.. As the Jewish mystics were well aware.. > Robert B. Winn
From: The Natural Philosopher on 4 Jul 2008 06:09
Steve O wrote: > > > <hhyapster(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:14203dca-5554-4b53-a802-d10de1074c27(a)q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>> On Jul 3, 5:32�pm, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> > >>> >news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d(a)34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> > > Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >>> > > the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>> >>> > > =========== >>> >>> > > In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart >>> > > choice is >>> > > to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>> >>> > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. �However, atheists claim >>> > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>> >>> > ========== >>> >>> > Sin is a social construct. �It exists irrespective of the god(s) > >>> worshipped >>> > ... or not, as the case may be. >>> >>> Well, there is no sin in heaven. Maybe that is why atheists do not >>> want to go there. >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> This is a big lie invented by you, two in fact, please acknowledge ! >> 1). You are here on earth and not in the heaven, how do you know there >> is no sin there? >> 2). No atheist has indicated to you that he does not want to go to >> heaven, and you put word into his mouth. > > Ahem, my apologies, that was me. > ;-) > I couldn't think of a worse possible punishment than having to exist for > all of eternity - it would be mind destroying. To experience eternity, what you call your mind, is in fact in abeyance. Robbo is a bliss junkie: we wants to exeperience the thrill of the smack sliding into his veins forever..howver it aint that way dude. He speaks of what he knoweth not. > If there was a God, he'd be as crazy as a loon by now, methinks. Always was IMHO. They say God was a Welshman: No one else, when creating Man and Woman, would have put a leisure center next to a waste disposal unit. |