From: rbwinn on
On Jul 3, 7:35�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message
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> > Another in a long line of deliberate misrepresentations of what was
> > said.
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> > Al- Hide quoted text -
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> I think the guy is better off going to food lines and living as a
> homeless person than being in a mental institution. �I make that
> judgment based on my own personal experience.
> Robert B. Winn
> -------------------------------------------------
> I've had enough of this idiots lies and insults.
> Ho! <Whack>

Just tranquilize or institutionalize anyone in society who does not
fit the atheist ideal of a contributing member of society. That is
easy to do because with the present mental health system, a judge and
two medical doctors can take away all rights of any person without a
trial.
Ribert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on
On Jul 3, 10:51 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 4, 12:32 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 3, 3:57�pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:26:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote
> > > in alt.atheism:
>
> > > >On Jul 2, 2:15�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >> > On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >>> On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno..com>
> > > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>> On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> > > >> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> > > >> >>>>>>>> ...
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> spring and the pool of Siloam.
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>> of.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> >>>>>>>>> The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United
> > > >> >>>>>>>>> States.
> > > >> >>>>>>>> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an
> > > >> >>>>>>>> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us.
> > > >> >>>>>>> Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare
> > > >> >>>>>>> assistance.
> > > >> >>>>>> Bullshit. Citation, please.
> > > >> >>>>> And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury,
> > > >> >>>>> right?
> > > >> >>>> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has
> > > >> >>>> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in
> > > >> >>>> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus
> > > >> >>>> claim on your part.
> > > >> >>>>> How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or
> > > >> >>>>> maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government".
> > > >> >>>> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic
> > > >> >>>> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just
> > > >> >>>> confirms my assessment.
> > > >> >>> I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental
> > > >> >>> reproduction control.
> > > >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now
> > > >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> > Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United
> > > >> > States? �We know they do in China. �However, there are a lot of women
> > > >> > in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental
> > > >> > institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally
> > > >> > was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance.
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> > > >> Playing a slippery game, aren't you Robert? ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >I am not playing a game. �Atheists run China, and women in China
> > > >definitely do get government ordered abortions.
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> > > It's a bit more complex than that, none of this has anything to do with
> > > atheism as you must know, but since you are someone who has a
> > > third-grade understanding of the world and your religion, I can
> > > understand how you got confused.
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> > > >It also happens here in the United States.
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> > > You keep claiming this. You appear to be lying. If you were not lying,
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> > So what do you think you are running here, a court of law?
> > Real judges do not impress me.  What made you think that imitators
> > like you would?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> So, you don't even respect rel judge, let alone anything truth or
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Judges today deny the right to trial by jury. Why would I respect
them?
Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on
On Jul 3, 10:55 pm, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 4, 12:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 3, 4:50�pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
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> > > On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> >> wrote:
>
> > > >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> >> >> wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi....(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism:
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> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism:
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> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ...
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> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury,
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >right?
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant.. This has
> > > >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in
> > > >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus
> > > >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or
> > > >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government".
>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic
> > > >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just
> > > >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment.
> > > >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental
> > > >> >> >> >> >reproduction control.
>
> > > >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now
> > > >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United
> > > >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women
> > > >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental
> > > >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally
> > > >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance.
>
> > > >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that
> > > >> >> >> up.
>
> > > >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman,
> > > >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say.
> > > >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you?
>
> > > >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your
> > > >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly,
> > > >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent
> > > >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt
> > > >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that
> > > >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your
> > > >> >> problem onto everyone else.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice..
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> > > >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if
> > > >> you were to provide a detailed account of
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> > > >> -what State and city this occurred in
> > > >> -what agency made such a demand, and
> > > >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis
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> > > >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the
> > > >> slightest bit credible.
>
> > > >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China
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> > > Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not
> > > what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the
> > > woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to
> > bother that woman.  I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel
> > instead.
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> If you want to emphasize the tunnel for the existence of your god,
> isn't the London going to be the existence of Harry Porter?
> If you recognize the fiction of Harry, shouldn't you know the human
> invention of a " god"?
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No, the tunnel is just a reference of something that atheists have
trouble denying, although they make every effort. The same with the
earthen ramp. Three different books of the Bible describe the
construction of the tunnel. The New Testament mentions the Pool of
Siloam , which is where the water goes which flows through the
tunnel. So there are verses in the New Testament as well as in the
Old Testament which the tunnel verifies.
Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on
On Jul 3, 11:28 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 1:55 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 2, 8:35 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 2, 2:03 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 11:59 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 12:20 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:19�pm, Enkidu <fox_rgf...(a)trashmail.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in news:22183802-cf28-4305-af11-
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7d254b106...(a)d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are the one being deliberately obtuse. � The existence of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel validates many other things said in the Bible about the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assyrian invasion of Judea.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Hobbit" talks of ale, axes, and forests which we know exist. Does that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> validate Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, trolls, magic rings, walking trees and Tom
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enkidu AA#2165 �
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ULC, Modesto, CA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't anything socialistic make you want to throw up? Like great public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> schools, or health insurance for all?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> � � �-Kurt Vonnegut
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you decide for yourself?  You were the one who thought of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you try to defend your assertions? How can we know we can
> >>>>>>>>>>>> trust what you say?- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>>>>>>>> It does not matter to me what you trust.  You decide what you are
> >>>>>>>>>>> going to trust.
> >>>>>>>>>> If you can't provide any sensible reason to believe your fanciful
> >>>>>>>>>> claims, then I guess we're done.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>>>>>> Fanciful claims?  I said that the Jews dug a tunnel as a conduit for
> >>>>>>>>> water between Gihon spring and the pool of Siloam.  Why do you think
> >>>>>>>>> that is a fanciful claim?
> >>>>>>>> That is not a fanciful claim. You and I both know that I'm referring to
> >>>>>>>> your supernatural claims. Those would be the ones you're completely
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> >>>>>>> I have not made any claims to atheists except that the Jews dug a
> >>>>>>> tunnel to be used as a conduit for water, and the Assyrians built a
> >>>>>>> ramp out of dirt to get over the city wall at Lachish.  To an atheist
> >>>>>>> these might seem like supernatural claims because there were actually
> >>>>>>> people working to accomplish both of these tasks instead of just
> >>>>>>> giving orders, criticism, etc., the way atheists do.  Since atheists
> >>>>>>> have been unable to visualize these two events, there is no reason to
> >>>>>>> proceed on to anything more complex.
> >>>>>> Then we're in total agreement. A tunnel was dug a long time ago and it
> >>>>>> got mentioned in some ancient writings, providing absolutlely no support
> >>>>>> for any supernatural claims.
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> >>>>> You do not seem to be visualizing it very well.  The Assyrians came
> >>>>> into Judea with an army of hundreds of thousands on their way home
> >>>>> after taking a big chunk of Egypt.  Judea was a little dot in the
> >>>>> middle of the Assyrian kingdom, which extended from the Caspian Sea to
> >>>>> Egypt.  So why was there still a Kingdom of Judea when King
> >>>>> Sennacherib got back to his capitol city of Ninevah?   Sennacherib
> >>>>> himself says there was on the column he had erected in Ninevah.
> >>>> Or so the story goes.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>> What do you mean so the story goes?  The column erected by Sennacherib
> >>> in Ninevah is still there today.  He plainly says on it that Hezekiah
> >>> paid tribute to him, and he was such a nice guy that he just went home
> >>> after he got the money.
> >> Great. Sennacherib went home and left Jerusalem unsacked. That doesn't
> >> mean that it was due to the angel of the lord slaughtering 185,000
> >> troops in a night.
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> > 186,000 troops.  Chaldean historians of the same time said that the
> > Assyrian army died of plague while besieging Jerusalem, and
> > Sennacherib fled in great fear back to his own city of Ninevah.
> > Sennacherib made no mention of losing his army on the column he
> > erected.  He seems to have pretended to his fellow Assyrians that the
> > army was still somewhere doing something, but his own two sons
> > murdered him, probably because they were upset about him losing the
> > army.
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> So where are God's footprints in all of this? Arguments for both sides
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Well, from a military standpoint, the Jews had no chance whatsoever
against the Assyrians. But when it was all over, it was the Assyrian
king who lost everything, including his own life. So I would say, let
atheists of today explain it their way, and let Christians explain it
their way. The Jews explained it by saying that an angel of the Lord
killed 186,000 Assyrian troops. That is a matter of record. It is
recorded in three different books of the Old Testament.
Robert B. Winn
From: Free Lunch on
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote
in alt.atheism:

>On Jul 3, 4:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>
>>
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>> >On Jul 3, 1:21?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:57:37 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Jul 2, 5:50?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Jul 2, 1:32?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 05:35:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:49?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 1:07?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:17:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 3:58?pm, raven1 <quoththera...(a)nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 4:12?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 29, 7:07?am, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ...
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I did not lie. ?There actually is a conduit for water between Gihon
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >spring and the pool of Siloam.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And, as you know, that is not the lie I have pointed out to you. You lie
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> here by falsely and intentionally trying to distract us from the lie
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> under discussion. You know that no one imposes abortion in the United
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> States. That is another in a long line of lies that you refuse to repent
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The Supreme Court and other atheists imposed abortion on the United
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >States.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Abortion is not imposed. You know that. No one is ever forced to have an
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> abortion by our government. Stop lying to us.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Women have been forced to have abortions in order to get welfare
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >assistance.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bullshit. Citation, please.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >And our government still recognizes our right to trial by jury,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >right?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Nice attempt at distraction, but completely irrelevant. This has
>> >> >> >> >> >> absolutely nothing to do with women being forced to have abortions in
>> >> >> >> >> >> order to get welfare assistance. Which is still a completely bogus
>> >> >> >> >> >> claim on your part.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > How gullible do you think I am about "our government"? ?Or
>> >> >> >> >> >> >maybe you are just including atheists when you say "our government".
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say you were gullible, I said you were lying. Your pathetic
>> >> >> >> >> >> attempt to change the subject, rather than support your claim, just
>> >> >> >> >> >> confirms my assessment.
>> >> >> >> >> >I personally know one woman who was subjected to governmental
>> >> >> >> >> >reproduction control.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Was she Chinese? Seriously, put up, or shut up. You made a claim; now
>> >> >> >> >> either back it up or retract it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> >> >> >Do atheists have some special program for Chinese women in the United
>> >> >> >> >States? ?We know they do in China. ?However, there are a lot of women
>> >> >> >> >in the United States you do not even seem to consider, women in mental
>> >> >> >> >institutions, women in prisons, etc., but the one I know personally
>> >> >> >> >was just a woman who applied for welfare assistance.
>>
>> >> >> >> IOW, you have nothing to support your claim. Thanks for clearing that
>> >> >> >> up.
>>
>> >> >> >You are free to believe or disbelieve what I said about this woman,
>> >> >> >just as you are free to believe or disbelieve anything else I say.
>> >> >> >Does this seem unfair to you?
>>
>> >> >> What seems unclear to me is why you insist on violating your
>> >> >> religion's commandment against bearing false witness. Quite frankly,
>> >> >> you're insulting everyone's intelligence by telling such a transparent
>> >> >> lie, although when combined with the fact that you seem to doubt
>> >> >> everything anyone else tells you, however innocuous, it suggests that
>> >> >> the reason might be that you're a pathological liar, projecting your
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>> >> >Sorry, but I do personally know a woman who was given that choice.
>>
>> >> Repeating your claim does not make it any more believable. Perhaps if
>> >> you were to provide a detailed account of
>>
>> >> -what State and city this occurred in
>> >> -what agency made such a demand, and
>> >> -in what context, and on what legal or procedural basis
>>
>> >> it might be slightly more believable. Until then, it's not the
>> >> slightest bit credible.
>>
>> >Uh huh, and you do not believe that it happens in China
>>
>> Nice try, but you're not weaseling out of this. The question is not
>> what happens in China, but what happens in the US, specifically to the
>> woman you claim to know. Put up or shut up.- Hide quoted text -
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>Well, I would certainly not want to cause a bunch of atheists to
>bother that woman. I think we need to talk about Hezekiah's tunnel
>instead.
>Robert B. Winn

As I understand the evidence, the tunnel is evidence that the Bible is
wrong. If I am mistaken, please provide evidence to the contrary.