Microwave brain scrambler?
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From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 20:07 On 3/14/2010 12:24 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: (...) > I should add that the symptoms are quite vague. > A kind of fuzziness of thought. See one of my previous responses for an indication of what symptoms are very likely to occur. They are very specific. Thanks for your attention to this topic. --Winston
From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 20:10 On 3/14/2010 4:39 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On Mar 14, 6:35 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"<mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> > wrote: >> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote: >> >>> Like you said about the McD hot coffee - the complaints add up and in >>> this case it would be far less trivial. And when Mr FBI asks the store >>> manager what happened, such is his loyalty to the corporation that said >>> manager will happily go to prison for obstructing the investigation. >> >>> Anyway, the whole scheme of yours is just totally ludicrous from >>> technical, legal and logistical points of view. A total non-starter. If >>> you think otherwise, mortgage your house, build and test a device and >>> try and sell it to MacBurger for zapping customers. See you living in a >>> cardboard box... >> >> He would miscalculate the power levels, and fry what litte is left of >> his brain. > > In fact he'd fry his scalp. the brain might get warmed up by thermal > heat conduction through skull, but probably not enough to make any > noticable difference, unless his "bigger amlifiers" could push out > kilowatts. You are right Bill, but the duty cycle will be too narrow to cause much in the way of scalp damage either. Good catch. --Winston
From: Paul Hovnanian P.E. on 14 Mar 2010 20:18 I prefer my brains over easy, not scrambled. -- Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul(a)Hovnanian.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that.
From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 21:02 On 3/14/2010 4:56 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On Mar 14, 8:13 pm, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: (...) >> Without access to the control panel in the manager's >> office, how is the employee to do that? > > Since when has the manager's office been accessible only to the > manager? Would you, as manager arrange things in such a way as to give yourself a non-zero chance of being zapped? (Me neither.) >> Zapping someone with this weapon will not be illegal or immoral based >> on our current beliefs. > > Under your daft interpretation of current beliefs. Disabling someone > by whatever means is assault, and both illegal and immoral. Exposing someone to modulated microwaves isn't illegal. (Gonna arrest the guy on the cell phone at the next table?) It is not considered immoral by the folks who will be doing the zapping. It will not be provable by folks who could not care less what happens to the hapless customer because there will be no evidence it ever happened. Did I mention that yet, the part about there will be 'no evidence'? >> Breaking and entering is both, if the >> employee is not acting on behalf of a well placed corporate sponsor. >> In that case he has carte blanche to do whatever he can get >> away with. > > "Breaking an entering" a managers office? No manager that I've ever > worked for kept his office locked. In the age of the zapper, that control panel will be secure. (...) >> Good. We agree that innocent customers will have no one to represent >> their interests. > > Hardly. Who is going to face down a 50 billion dollar corporation and force them to give up the most entertaining toy they have ever had? Joe Shmoe, who will never know the transmitter exists? I think not. Who then? (...) >> High profile cases are not brought by powerless individuals unless >> they can provide proof to a much more powerful entity that *it's* >> nose is being pushed into the dirt. > > You do go in for vapid generalisations. Ah but they are accurate. As soon as you realize you've been zapped, you will feel anything *but* vapid. :) >> Until an FBI agent gets zapped, no one will care. > > What's so special about FBI agents. You've been watching too much TV. Any powerful person will do. If he has arrest authority, so much the better. (...) >> Joe Shmoe, hapless sandwich shop customer does not have quite the legal >> weight behind him that the Clinton DoJ had. Can we agree on that? > > And your idiot restaurant manager isn't Microsoft. His boss works for the guy who works for the CEO of the $50 B multinational corporation who regularly and normally gets away with law violations that would put you or I away for the rest our lives. He has way more power than Joe Shmoe and exercises it with great discretion. (...) >>> For which implausible claim you advance what evidence? >> >> The science conducted by Dr. Adey outlined in the article >> I have been citing for the last few days. > > About an unexplained mechanism that produced audible clicks, which you > chose to interpret as an effect of transcranial electrical > stimulation, not that Dr. Adey's system would have produced any such > currents in the brain at any effective frequency. Clicks have nothing to do with it. I'm not going to re re re rephrase Dr. Adey's key findings with regard to the effect of low frequency modulated non- ionizing radiation on brain cells. Suffice it to say that it is solid, reproducible science and is key in understanding how the transmitter would disable a person without leaving a single clue. (...) >> I invite you to look at Dr. Adey's findings and try with >> the best of your ability to believe that the effects he >> demonstrated would leave brain cells completely unaffected. > > Like everybody else who seems to have looked at that lame paper, I'm > prefectly happy that the effect he demonstrated had nothing to do with > the direct stimulation of brain cells by the exciting field. I suspect > that his subjects heard perfectly real audio clicks produced by some > defect in his experimental set-up. Where do you get this 'click' phenomenon from? That is not the symptom Dr. Adey linked to non-ionizing radiation stimulation and has nothing to do with the way the transmitter is likely to work. It'll swamp brain cells with 'nonsense' data causing the brain to go 'offline' until after it's inputs start making sense once more. Sorry, but that *is* the "Readers's Digest" version. (...) > Pity that you haven't quite such a well-developed system for > separating sesne from nonsense. Unfortunately we will never know, either way. >> Also the law, because I am a powerless Joe Shmoe. :) >> >> Our zappers will be folks that have no moral compass and no >> compunction against breaking laws at will. >> For them, there is no moral violation and no law to be broken. > > True, but only because your zapper won't do what you think it will. You know what they say about opinions. :) (...) >> We will never know, one way or the other. > > You may never know. Also true. I am highly unlikely to find out, either way. It's a pity really. Fascinating subject. :) (...) >> You do understand that there is no law against installation or >> operation of the transmitter, yes? There will be nothing to >> investigate. > > Because it won't work. Thank you for your guess on this. (...) >> I still have my opinion, too. :) > > Pity about that. Thanks for your input on this important topic, Bill. --Winston
From: Winston on 14 Mar 2010 21:27
On 3/14/2010 4:35 PM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On Mar 14, 7:43 pm, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote: >> On 3/14/2010 6:23 AM,Bill Slomanwrote: (...) > You'd beter find something more persuasive. Bill, I honestly believe that I could present you with a zapped shoe salesman from Hoboken and you would remain unconvinced of the possibility. That is good because science is largely based on the attempt to invalidate a guess. If I had the funding and some amazingly generous terminally ill volunteers, I would pursue the effect and publish a report that you would find compelling. I think it's deliciously ironic that we both are convinced there will never be any publicly available evidence that the transmitter would work the way Dr. Adey implies. That is OK. This is a lot of information to wrap one's mind around. I didn't get it at first either. No cyclotron necessary. Aim, dial in the power and press the button. If the symptom does not appear after 10 seconds, tweak the power up 10% and press the button again. If you get no dice after 10 more seconds, give her the last 5% and press the button once more. Somewhere in there, you will have a Hoboken-sicle. Simple really. Thanks for your consideration of this important topic, Bill --Winston |