From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 15/03/2010 14:44, Winston wrote:
> On 3/15/2010 1:43 AM, Bill Beaty wrote:
>> On Mar 13, 11:03 pm, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/13/2010 6:17 PM, Bill Beaty wrote:
>>>
>>>> A more pertinent point: LET THE EXPERIMENT BE MADE. Experiments
>>>> trump any hours of theoretical discussions. Existence proofs are
>>>> difficult to defeat.
>>>
>>> I may not have mentioned this but:
>>> "Adey, W. Ross, Neurophysiologic Effects of Radiofrequency and Microwave
>>> Bioelectromagnetics
>>
>> No, I mean: perform the experiment. Personally. This week.
>
> You, Bill Sloman and Dirk don't apparently accept Dr. Adey's
> results supporting the effectiveness of modulated non-
> ionizing radiation in involuntary brain control.
>
> Dr. Adey forgot more about the subject during lunch yesterday
> than any of us lot will ever know, yet apparently only one of
> us accepts his findings.
>
> I could theoretically produce a room full of zapped volunteers
> and you guys would merely dismiss the results as bogus
> or inapplicable in some way.
>
> I can hear you now, Bill:
> "You screwed around with their brainwaves and expect us to
> rely on their *memories*? Are you insane?"
>
> I can hear Dirk:
> "I stood *right next* to my microwave oven just now and
> was totally unaffected by your bogus modulation."
>
> I can hear Bill Sloman:
> "It is impossible to do and no one would ever attempt it
> because it is just *wrong*. This is about 'hearing clicks',
> right?"
>
> I can hear AZ:
> "How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby?"
>
> I can hear Mike Terrel:
> "Heck, just smack them with a baseball bat."
>
> :)
>
> I think Dr. Adey's experimental results are solid and his
> results are compelling. You may agree or not.
>
> I don't go on fool's errands.
>
>> Build one and directly demonstrate the phenomenon to anyone who cares
>> to come and experience it. Build a second one, mail it to Dirk.
>>
>> You can argue forever about whether you've been blessed with five toes
>> or six, but immediate direct inspection goes far in silencing the
>> doubters.
>
> One step at a time.
>
> Do you agree that Dr. Adey controlled the eye muscles of a lab
> animal only by stimulating it's brain with modulated non-ionizing
> radiation,
> as shown in Dr. Adey's paper?

As part of a trigger for a conditioned reflex.
The previous conditioning was the big "thing"

He used an RF signal like Pavlov used a bell (or so the story goes).

--
Dirk

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From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 15/03/2010 13:52, Winston wrote:
> On 3/14/2010 11:54 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> On 15/03/2010 05:14, Winston wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> Then you will recall the following finding.
>>>
>>> By irradiating a lab animal with a non-ionizing carrier that
>>> has a low frequency AM subcarrier, Dr. Adey has taken over control
>>> the eye muscles of that lab animal, aiming them anywhere he
>>> pleases, any time he wants.
>>>
>>> Here is Dr. Adey's passage that I wildly extrapolated to reach my
>>> paraphrase:
>>> "...For example, if one presents a flash of light, the animal
>>> must make that [EEG] response within two seconds or be "punished."
>>> In this punishment the eyes are involuntarily deviated to the
>>> opposite side by stimulation of the brain itself.
>>> This is unpleasant but not painful."
>>
>> Conditioned response.
>> Totally different from what you are talking about.
>
> Dirk, I wasn't referring to the 'flash of light', (but you
> knew that).
> I was referring to the modulated non-ionizing radiation
> Dr. Adey used to control the cat's brain so to steer it's
> eyes in a direction that the cat did not necessarily intend.
>
> 'Conditioned response' requires a stimulus that can be sensed
> without an intervening tool, (a radio receiver in this case).

Not necessarily.
Hence the word "subliminal"

> I cannot hear radio transmissions without a receiver. Can you?

I can't hear magnetic fields either, but Persinger showed that mag
fields modulated with voice can result in choices, which should have
been random, being skewed towards the object of the modulated voice.


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Dirk

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From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 15/03/2010 13:09, Winston wrote:
> On 3/14/2010 11:45 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> On 15/03/2010 00:07, Winston wrote:
>>> On 3/14/2010 12:24 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>> I should add that the symptoms are quite vague.
>>>> A kind of fuzziness of thought.
>>>
>>> See one of my previous responses for an indication
>>> of what symptoms are very likely to occur.
>>> They are very specific.
>>
>> And the actual facts, as opposed to "likely to occur", tell a different
>> story.
>
> I disagree. Dr. Adey's results show an immediate, overwhelming effect.
> You can bet that the cat used in Dr. Adey's experiments tried like hell
> to avoid having it's eyeballs deflected and yet, Dr. Adey could force
> the cat to look in any direction Dr. Adey wished, at any time.
>
> You really think this has not been tried? Lots of times?
>
> It was successfully tried any number of times during Dr. Adey's
> experiments. Human trials are a natural outcome and I *do* think
> that experiments with human volunteers have been done.
>
> The thing I'm concerned about is that the transmitter will be
> used against honest, law abiding people without their consent.
>
> Thank you for thinking about this important development.
>
>
> --Winston

http://www.raven1.net/lida.htm

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Dirk

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From: Winston on
On 3/15/2010 12:58 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

(...)

> http://www.raven1.net/lida.htm

Rave - in - a - box!

Cool!

--Winston
From: Winston on
On 3/15/2010 12:02 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> On 15/03/2010 13:14, Winston wrote:

(...)

>> I would like to contrast your scientific evidence against Dr. Adey's.
>> Have you published? Can you provide a link please?
>
> You have misread the paper.

You know what they say about opinions. :)

--Winston