From: Winston on
On 3/14/2010 9:37 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> On 14/03/2010 08:25, Winston wrote:
>> On 3/13/2010 10:29 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> (...)
>>
>>> http://www.neopax.com/technomage/TechnoMageContents.pdf
>>>
>>> Chapter 9
>>
>> I conclude that beginning on page 235 of a document you wrote,
>> you present some opinions regarding electromagnetics.
>>
>> Good for you. :)
>>
>> --Winston
>
> It's a survey of the kinds of effects that interest you.
> Including ones you have never heard of.

It must be very efficiently worded.
I saw only titles and page numbers in that document.

Thanks for your attention to this, Dirk.


--Winston
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 14/03/2010 18:32, Winston wrote:
> On 3/14/2010 9:35 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> On 14/03/2010 08:44, Winston wrote:
>
> (...)
>
>>> Adey demonstrated that modulated non-ionizing radiation can
>>> replace legitimate interneural brain communication with
>>> 'garbage input', likely to tax and confuse the unfortunate
>>> owner of said brain. That is a key takeaway.
>>
>> Except it doesn't work in "real life" in any acute form.
>
> That depends on how you define the term 'acute'.
>
> The symptoms *will* occur instantly, for all intents.

No.
Hours to days.

--
Dirk

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From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 14/03/2010 18:47, Winston wrote:
> On 3/14/2010 9:37 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> On 14/03/2010 08:25, Winston wrote:
>>> On 3/13/2010 10:29 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>> http://www.neopax.com/technomage/TechnoMageContents.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 9
>>>
>>> I conclude that beginning on page 235 of a document you wrote,
>>> you present some opinions regarding electromagnetics.
>>>
>>> Good for you. :)
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> It's a survey of the kinds of effects that interest you.
>> Including ones you have never heard of.
>
> It must be very efficiently worded.
> I saw only titles and page numbers in that document.

Then you will have to buy the book when its available.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: Winston on
On 3/14/2010 6:41 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Mar 13, 8:01 pm, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
>> On 3/12/2010 11:49 PM,Bill Slomanwrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 12, 9:21 pm, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>>> How could that be? Who is the 'nailer'?
>>
>>> Disgruntled employee - not every manager has an attractive and
>>> sympathetic personality.
>>
>> Are disgruntled employees particularly powerful in your area
>> of the world? Do they have the power to investigate, arrest,
>> prosecute and jail offenders? In my area of the world,
>> government resources are given to managers in order to steal
>> from disgruntled employees. It is a different environment.
>
> One that presumably doesn't contain active trade unions, for a start.

Yes, they all died decades ago for all intents and purposes.

>> Let me ask an entirely different question:
>>
>> Who is the 'nailer'?
>>
>> I can help here because there is no 'nailer'.
>
> You are out of your mind. The "nailer" is the disgrunteled employee
> who uses your mythical electro-magneitc weapon to "nail" the manager

Without access to the control panel in the manager's
office, how is the employee to do that? Zapping someone
with this weapon will not be illegal or immoral based on our
current beliefs. Breaking and entering is both, if the
employee is not acting on behalf of a well placed corporate sponsor.
In that case he has carte blanche to do whatever he can get
away with.


>> Superman is a myth, Bill.
>
> Not a myth, but a comic-book hero, and totally irrelevant here.

Good. We agree that innocent customers will have no one to represent
their interests.

>>>>> After you discover that the robber is actually a friend of the cashier
>>>>> and joking around and you lay him on the ground, make plans to sell
>>>>> off the business to pay legal costs and to spend a nice amount of time
>>>>> in jail.
>>
>>>> Are you seriously suggesting that a lawyer or judge would voluntarily
>>>> snuff out their career by prosecuting a case against their owners?
>>
>>> Prosecutors just love high profile cases.
>>
>> Sure, against the powerless. It's "votes in the bag" to pop a guy growing
>> pot for cancer victims. It is an honorable prosecution as well, yes?
>
> That may be your idea of a high profile case. People with a better
> grip on reality would differ.

High profile cases are not brought by powerless individuals unless
they can provide proof to a much more powerful entity that *it's*
nose is being pushed into the dirt.

Until an FBI agent gets zapped, no one will care.
After an FBI agent gets zapped, there will be hell to pay. :)


>> Against powerful law breakers? Surely you jest.
>
> The Clinton administration went after Microsoft.

Joe Shmoe, hapless sandwich shop customer does not have quite the legal
weight behind him that the Clinton DoJ had. Can we agree on that?


>>>>> Put a revolver under the register if you have such a problem with
>>>>> robbery.
>>
>>>> But this is *so* much more elegant!
>>
>>> Or would be, if it could work.
>>
>> It works just fine.
>
> For which implausible claim you advance what evidence?

The science conducted by Dr. Adey outlined in the article
I have been citing for the last few days.

>>>> Not only can the manager disable robbers, he can
>>>> use the system on honest employees and customers as well.
>>
>>> Or could, if it could work.
>>
>> It works great.
>
> If we use your over-fertile imagination as a test-bed.

I invite you to look at Dr. Adey's findings and try with
the best of your ability to believe that the effects he
demonstrated would leave brain cells completely unaffected.


>>>> The entertainment is endless because it is completely
>>>> undetectable.
>>
>>> A big dish antenna aobe a false ceiling, and the RF transmitter to
>>> drive it?
>>
>> I guess I didn't mention this but:
>>
>> "Of course it would be small and easy to hide. Pick a frequency that
>> beams well using a<12" diameter parabola yet still easily penetrates
>> through a couple inches of cranium to deposit 1 mW/ cm2 in the brain
>> over a distance of say 20 feet.
>> Pretty cheap and easy with suspended ceilings being as ubiquitous as
>> they are. "
>>
>>> A bit harder to hide that a hand-gun, and ripping it out and
>>> dumping it off the bridge would be a little more obvious, and leave
>>> more obvious traces,
>>
>> Why would removal be necessary?
>> The transmitter isn't illegal.
>> It isn't even considered immoral or even 'in poor taste'.
>
> Stick somebody elses head in a microwave and disable the door safety
> interlock, and you will find out that your action is considered both
> immoral and in poor taste.

Of course. I would too.
I am governed by a finely tuned sense of 'right and wrong'.
Also the law, because I am a powerless Joe Shmoe. :)

Our zappers will be folks that have no moral compass and no
compunction against breaking laws at will.
For them, there is no moral violation and no law to be broken.

>> It is a weapon used against the powerless, so why wouldn't law enforcement
>> and the courts be fully supportive of it if they were "officially" aware?
>>
>>> clown.
>>
>> You believe that I speak in jest? I do not.
>
> The humour resides in your belief that you are describing a
> practicable system.

We will never know, one way or the other.

>>>> The old guy on table #4. Just as he lifts his coffee cup, zap
>>>> him and he pours hot coffee all over his shirt! He gets up,
>>>> and attempts to get to the bathroom, zap him again so he hits
>>>> his head on the counter and soils himself at the same time.
>>
>>>> I don't think you grasp the hilarious possibilities here.
>>
>>>> There isn't any evidence it was ever used, other than the recollection
>>>> of the victim. Who is going to believe him (or her for that matter)?
>>
>>> Except the paper trail covers the papyments for the expensive
>>> installation, and the memories and records of the sub-contractors who
>>> did the work.
>>
>> Let's say I specialize in installation and servicing of these tools.
>> I know what they are for and I realize that in an enlightened
>> society use of the tools would be considered assault and attempted
>> murder; the users and I would be jailed for a long, long time.
>>
>> So my first move is to keep my activities far 'off the books'.
>> It's a cash deal only. My livelihood is dependent upon my discretion.
>> Ask any drug supplier to the rich and famous (unless you are also
>> convinced that they can never exist.)
>
> Drug dealers sell drugs that are grown and imported illegally. Your
> business couldn't support an "off the books" electronic inustry.

Sure it would. I Googled ("plant maintenance" company) just now.
874,000 hits. Any one of them would be more than happy to read
the simple installation instructions and make the transmitter
fully operational, in compliance with all codes.

>> Why would I dump into my own breakfast by squealing?
>
> Your financial records - notably payments for electronic hardware -
> would give the game away.

You do understand that there is no law against installation or
operation of the transmitter, yes? There will be nothing to
investigate.

>>> You don't understand much.
>>
>> Yes, it is a problem which I am solving, fact by fact. :)
>
> Imaginary fact by invented misconception.

I still have my opinion, too. :)

We're not going to convince each other but I do appreciate
your perspective on this topic.


--Winston
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on
On 14/03/2010 18:58, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> On 14/03/2010 18:32, Winston wrote:
>> On 3/14/2010 9:35 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>> On 14/03/2010 08:44, Winston wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>>> Adey demonstrated that modulated non-ionizing radiation can
>>>> replace legitimate interneural brain communication with
>>>> 'garbage input', likely to tax and confuse the unfortunate
>>>> owner of said brain. That is a key takeaway.
>>>
>>> Except it doesn't work in "real life" in any acute form.
>>
>> That depends on how you define the term 'acute'.
>>
>> The symptoms *will* occur instantly, for all intents.
>
> No.
> Hours to days.
>

I should add that the symptoms are quite vague.
A kind of fuzziness of thought.

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show