From: Bill Beaty on
On Mar 13, 11:03 pm, Winston <Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
> On 3/13/2010 6:17 PM, Bill Beaty wrote:
>
> > A more pertinent point:  LET THE EXPERIMENT BE MADE.  Experiments
> > trump any hours of theoretical discussions.  Existence proofs are
> > difficult to defeat.
>
> I may not have mentioned this but:
> "Adey, W. Ross, Neurophysiologic Effects of Radiofrequency and Microwave
> Bioelectromagnetics

No, I mean: perform the experiment. Personally. This week.

Build one and directly demonstrate the phenomenon to anyone who cares
to come and experience it. Build a second one, mail it to Dirk.

You can argue forever about whether you've been blessed with five toes
or six, but immediate direct inspection goes far in silencing the
doubters.


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From: Bill Sloman on
On Mar 15, 12:53 am, Winston <Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:
> On 3/14/2010 7:07 AM,Bill Slomanwrote:
>
> > On Mar 14, 9:18 am, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net>  wrote:
>
> (...)

<snipped baseless speculation>

> >> But mostly I feel that 'sunlight is the best disinfectant'.
>
> > It doesn't seem to have disinfected you into silence.
>
> If I can conceive of this, that means other, more capable folks
> have conceived of it, as well.

Other - more capable - folks may have conceived the idea, but since
they know more about the subject than you, the concept will not have
implanted itself in their minds as it has in yours.

Why not go back to working on a geometric scheme for trisecting an
angle? Mathematicians have proved that this can't be done, so you'd
run less risk of committing yourself to spending real money on a
echnical mirage.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

> I don't know about you but I'd
> very much rather *not* get zapped by one of these things, should
> they ever be built.
>
> Thanks for your perspective.
>
> --Winston

From: Winston on
On 3/14/2010 11:45 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> On 15/03/2010 00:07, Winston wrote:
>> On 3/14/2010 12:24 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> I should add that the symptoms are quite vague.
>>> A kind of fuzziness of thought.
>>
>> See one of my previous responses for an indication
>> of what symptoms are very likely to occur.
>> They are very specific.
>
> And the actual facts, as opposed to "likely to occur", tell a different
> story.

I disagree. Dr. Adey's results show an immediate, overwhelming effect.
You can bet that the cat used in Dr. Adey's experiments tried like hell
to avoid having it's eyeballs deflected and yet, Dr. Adey could force
the cat to look in any direction Dr. Adey wished, at any time.

You really think this has not been tried? Lots of times?

It was successfully tried any number of times during Dr. Adey's
experiments. Human trials are a natural outcome and I *do* think
that experiments with human volunteers have been done.

The thing I'm concerned about is that the transmitter will be
used against honest, law abiding people without their consent.

Thank you for thinking about this important development.


--Winston
From: Winston on
On 3/14/2010 11:49 PM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> On 15/03/2010 00:00, Winston wrote:
>> On 3/14/2010 11:58 AM, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>> On 14/03/2010 18:32, Winston wrote:

(...)

>> Doesn't sound like hours or days to me, Dirk.
>
> And rhythmic sound, especially binaural tones, will entrain the gross
> brainwaves over both hemispheres.

There are many parallel paths to hypnosis.

> There's no instant knockout although
> it does lead to mild and controllable altered states of consciousness,
> easily overridden by the user.

I agree most paths to mind control are orders of magnitude less
instantaneous and effective than modulated non-ionizing radiation.

> The RF version is far less effective at any frequency.

I would like to contrast your scientific evidence against Dr. Adey's.
Have you published? Can you provide a link please?

Thanks


--Winston

From: Winston on
On 3/15/2010 4:21 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Mar 15, 12:53 am, Winston<Wins...(a)bigbrother.net> wrote:

(...)

>> If I can conceive of this, that means other, more capable folks
>> have conceived of it, as well.
>
> Other - more capable - folks may have conceived the idea, but since
> they know more about the subject than you, the concept will not have
> implanted itself in their minds as it has in yours.

I agree with your assessment about my relative level of concern,
though I very much doubt that those others you speak of would readily
agree to *everything* we said about them. :)

> Why not go back to working on a geometric scheme for trisecting an
> angle?

I wasn't involved with that. Perhaps you have me confused with
someone else?

> Mathematicians have proved that this can't be done, so you'd
> run less risk of committing yourself to spending real money on a
> echnical mirage.

I am working on other, more rewarding things.

Please remember what I said when you shake yourself awake
after a minor disagreement at your local sandwich shop.


Thank you for your perspective on this though - provoking subject.


--Winston <-- Shoot the messenger. That'll help.