From: nospam on
In article <k7dqv5pab9vup4otq4od82ed07qd471fve(a)4ax.com>, Paul Miner
<pminer(a)elrancho.invalid> wrote:

> Actually, announcements are the epitome of vaporware. Nearly all
> vaporware starts with an announcement. A software product stops being
> vaporware when it actually becomes available. Announcements !=
> available.

it *has* shipped, to developers, four versions so far. it's not vapor.
developers are using it and developing for it. the public release will
be soon, probably about two weeks.
From: nospam on
In article <2rgqv5h571j3dmseaabrise0me2mhupdai(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >Steve Jobs doesn't seem to like Adobe much at all and it seems that Flash on
> >the iPod is influenced by this.
>
> I think it's essentially a control

partly true. apple doesn't want another company, adobe, controlling
their platform with their proprietary and buggy technology. adobe has
demonstrated that they do not fix bugs very quickly. apple would have
to wait on them for any fixes. that's dumb.

another part is flash for mobile is not even done yet. it's barely even
beta! it is supposed to be done by the end of 2010. the iphone came out
3 years ago, how could apple have offered flash?

lastly, flash on mobile is just not very good. look at the demos of
flash on android. it stutters, battery life drops and some things don't
work because it's designed for mouse/keyboard.

> (and revenue) issue --

except that developers can write web apps that not only provide no
revenue to apple, but don't even go through the store. they can also
write native apps that are free. people love to say it's money related
but it clearly is not.

> Steve is
> determined to control all things Apple, and Adobe software (not only
> Flash, but also products like Photoshop) has always threatened that
> control (and revenue) --

how in the world does photoshop affect control or revenue? apple does
not compete with photoshop on any level.

> Flash is just the biggest threat at the moment.

it's not a threat. flash is proprietary, buggy, a cpu hog and a
security risk. there are much better ways to do what flash does, such
as html5.

look at flash on the nexus one. pocketnow did a comparison of three
devices. without flash, the nexus one browser was the fastest, but with
flash installed it was the slowest, and that was compared to the
current iphone whose specs are not as good as a nexus one. it will be
even more dramatic with the next model (they could have used an ipad
which will be similar in speed to the next iphone).
From: nospam on
In article <s4hqv5pdnj1gs1ocdar10fdg63oohgmlf1(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<jnspam1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> It's vaporware until it's actually released (to everyone) --
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware>:
>
> Vaporware is a word used to describe products, usually computer
> hardware or software, not released on the date announced by their
> developer...

not that wikipedia is a good reference, but according to that
definition, it's not vapor since the ship date announced is 'summer
2010.'

as i said, it has shipped, to developers. they're using it right now.

meanwhile, android 2.2 is vapor. motorola said 'soon' for the droid.
not even a date. other devices might not ever get it.

> The good reason for this is that actual products all too often fail to
> ship on dates promised, fail to contain all features promised, etc.

apple has a history of shipping when promised. every iphone os release
has been exactly when they said.
From: Paul Miner on
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:33 -0700, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <864ovbFsdlU4(a)mid.individual.net>, Thomas T. Veldhouse
><veldy71(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > more importantly, not all devices will run android 2.2, including the
>> > t-mobile g1 which is currently being sold, *new*, right *now*.
>>
>> Not all iPods that run 3.1.x will run 4.0 either. Only iPod Touch Gen 3 and
>> iPhone GS models (not sure about any previous iPhone model) will accept OS
>> 4.0.
>
>all 2nd and 3rd gen ipod touches and the iphone 3g and 3gs can run 4.0,
>plus whatever is released this year.
>
>only the 1st gen ipod touch and original iphone cannot. they're 3 year
>old devices and very, very few are still in use.

What could possibly justify very, very few 3 year old i* devices being
still in use? If true, that's not good for anyone, including Apple.

--
Paul Miner
From: Paul Miner on
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:41:38 -0700, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <k7dqv5pab9vup4otq4od82ed07qd471fve(a)4ax.com>, Paul Miner
><pminer(a)elrancho.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Actually, announcements are the epitome of vaporware. Nearly all
>> vaporware starts with an announcement. A software product stops being
>> vaporware when it actually becomes available. Announcements !=
>> available.
>
>it *has* shipped, to developers, four versions so far. it's not vapor.
>developers are using it and developing for it. the public release will
>be soon, probably about two weeks.

Good, so going by what you wrote, it will no longer be vapor in about
two weeks. Development efforts and beta code aren't enough to get it
out of vapor status.

--
Paul Miner